skm225
1 post
Oct 19, 2007
12:39 PM
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I shopped at the old Hills & Dale's Shopping Center at the Corner of Dorothy Lane & S Dixie in the 1970's. There were two food stores, one was Liberal and can someone tell me what the other was? Also does anyone remember what all the stores in the shopping center were around the 1970's.
Thanks
Last Edited by on Oct 19, 2007 12:40 PM
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ken032
1 post
Nov 13, 2007
9:48 PM
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Liberal's was on one end and Kroger was on the other. Later a night club replaced the Krogers and a couple of different groceries replace Liberals. Both Murphy's and Kresge were in the center at one time. Kresge closed when the K-Mart opened in Moraine on Kettering Blvd. That space often was used as a Christmas Store during the holidays. Murphy's became a Goldman's and later the store became a flea market type operation. There was a Hills and Dales Florist, Hardware Store and Locksmith Shop. There was Singer Sewing Machine Store, a neighboor bar and a Bank. Downstairs at one time or another was a library and later NCR had offices down there. Hills and Dales Shopping Center lay empty for several years before being bought by the City of Kettering. They spearheaded the development into what you see today.
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Laurel59
2 posts
Nov 15, 2007
11:58 AM
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SHOPPERS FAIR! My Grandmother was mugged by a purse snatcher in the inside part in the back one evening shopping for Christmas gifts. She was alright, but she suffered a black eye. We all crowded around her at her house and us grandkids told her she looked like the "fight or switch" commercial for cigarettes lady. She used to buy all of her Christmas presents there for us. I got my first sewing machine from singer's used machines for 20.00. I made a 3 piece suit with the machine for my boyfriend. I think he still wears the suit!
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colleen8
3 posts
Nov 18, 2007
7:48 PM
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I remember going to Hills and Dales shoppping center after swimming practice at the Christopher Club.
Was there a library in the center? I think it was downstairs.
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Mike C
10 posts
Dec 24, 2007
9:26 AM
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I remember the bar at the side of the shopping center close to the Christopher Club. It was called Sweetwater. That was back in the early 80's perhaps.
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historymom
6 posts
Mar 26, 2008
5:01 PM
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There was a library there. It was an interesting shopping center. I remember Murphy's being on one side and another store being on the other and you would walk through a little courtyard to get from one to the other.
There was a Ponderosa there for many years. It's original interior had big western murals painted on the walls. The employees used to wear cowboy hats and say "howdy partner" when you walked in.
Shopper's Fair wasn't there though. It was in Kettering on Woodman Drive. The people who lived around it used to call it "Shoplifter's Fair" because they were getting ripped off so often. It was very close to the Parkmoor on Woodman.
Sadly, Hills and Dales Shopping Center became a hang out for trouble makers and then it just became mostly abandoned. What Kettering has done with the area is really extraordinary, but sometimes I miss the way the old shopping center used to be.
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Cathy
3 posts
Mar 27, 2008
11:05 AM
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I have a framed, signed picture of Don Mendenhall's Colony Club in my living room. It is numbered and signed by ? Rupp. I remember my parents going there in the 1970s. When did it open and when did it close? Also, does anyone out there know anything more about my picture? It is a neat painting with lots of colors. Thanks! Cathy cwells2005@yahoo.com
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Toby
3 posts
Aug 01, 2008
7:44 PM
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Stumps was one of the groceries that replaced the Liberal; Kroger's became Sweetwater in the late 70s--one of Dayton's first and finest discos during that era. A really beautiful nightclub. Later, it then became 1470 West which was a gay nightclub. They even had Divine (of John Water's films "Pink Flamingos", "Female Trouble", "Polyester") perform there twice.
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barefoot
2 posts
Aug 17, 2008
8:32 PM
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Just my 2 cents.
My first memory of Hills and Dales Shopping center is probably around 1986. It was of my mom and I shopping at Stumps, which was on the north end, facing Dorothy Lane. I remember that when you were finished with your shopping they would put your groceries into a plastic tub and send it on a conveyor belt that would take your groceries outside. Then you could pull up and someone would load your groceries in the car.
There was a Gem City Savings bank across the hall from the Stumps (if I am remembering correctly). They had a drive thru type operation, but it was different because it was across from the teller window so that you would be looking directly forward at the teller and you were separated by two lanes of traffic in the shopping center.
I remember skateboarding in the shopping center around 1989 and I think Stumps had closed and was replaced by Fooddeals or something like that. There was a Radio Shack there, a sewing store, a few bars and I cant remember what else, but the place was probably 60% full, but no one seemed to be shopping there.
Then in 1996, when I got my first apartment across from the Community Golf Course I went to Hills and Dales, I remember going to a furniture store that was on the west side of the center. The store was full of furniture, but the roof was actively leaking, and I remember that there were buckets everywhere. I remember some of the windows were broken and boarded too.
I might have some old photos somewhere to share. I'll look for them and see if I can post them.
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shmacky78
1 post
Sep 02, 2008
3:54 PM
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im pretty sure me and my buddies have some pics of the place .. i grew up hanging out here and skateboarding..im only 30 years old, but i have a ton of memories and funny stories from this place over the years . actually, stumps was replaced by shears around 1991 ?? all the stores i remember from the late 80s to the early 90s were .. shears/stumps/food deals/ whatever else it was called? lol national city bank/gem city.. 1470 west, boot legger bar.. pappa joes bar .. grey drugs witch was bought out by right aid.. throckmorton's hardware, whipp and sipp ice cream..a few flea markets over the years, the auto parts store on the corner by the christopher club that changed names a few times i remember it being called auto something?? ernoe's books and mags (that guy was wierd) ..top run video.. a few different metaphysical craft stores?? a dayton daily news branch..a weird picture place that no one ever went to or was ever open? debbies barber shop . bennet's auction.. oooh heck i could go on forever but these are the places i remember growing up , but it was a dump for as long as i can remember i have many many funny stories from that place!! like getting up on the roof and looking into 1470 west from the vents, and laughing!! to getting yelled at by all the store owners for skate boarding and being loud.. stealing ciggarettes from stumps and being a hoodlum! .. yes it was a hangout for the hoodlums in my day, but hey i guess i was one of those hoods just being a young teenager raising hell...oh the memories...not the momories that most of you may have? but hey i have my own from my day ..lol :-)
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JohnC
51 posts
Dec 15, 2008
8:23 AM
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The store across the courtyard from Murphy's was Miller's. Same type of store (variety store) as Murphy's. Branch Library was downstairs, There was a Hickory Farms on the front of the center and Redman's TV repair. I went to school with Jim Redman, whose father owned the TV repair. Jim had a sister named Debby. There was also a drugstore on the backside of the center and a florist. In later years, there was a comic shop on the front by where the Stumps grocery used to be. My parents used to eat at the Ponderosa out in the front of the parking lot.
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KentuckyGeek
3 posts
Dec 18, 2008
11:57 AM
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I was one of the cooks at Ponderosa from 1977 to 1981. Anyone remember when you ordered your meal by number? Number 2 was the ribeye and 4 was the chopped steak. This was of course pre-dinner buffet and you had to pay for each pat of butter!
Great times were had there!
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Josie
4 posts
Feb 27, 2009
7:53 AM
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Yes, Kroger at one end and Liberal at the other. I remember the stores from the 60's. There was a Dunhills mens clothing store, a state liquor store, Hickory Farms, Millers, Murphys, the Hills & Dales Hardware store, a Grey's Drug store, a barber, a Singer Sewing Store, a bank, Hills & Dales Florist, and I forgot about the Bootlegger Bar. The library was downstairs with other offices. There was a back door on the south side that I would take to get to the library 'cause it was fun! Whipp and Sipp came later. My friend Suzy Howard's mom ran or maybe owned the Florist. The Colony club was where Los Three Amigos is now.
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terryn
2 posts
Mar 13, 2009
4:36 PM
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As a child I enjoyed the snack bar inside Murphy's. As I got older the locksmith in back and Hills & Dales Hardware became common stops. I also remember when Throckmorton's (original store torn down so Woody's could gain more parking space) moved into the old Murphy's space.
I would be interested in copies of any photos anyone might wish to share. thanks! terryn.ohio@gmail.com
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JR
2 posts
Apr 07, 2009
2:30 PM
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I remember I bought a really cool, at least I thought so, brown shark skin suit there in 1966. I don't remember the name of the men's store but it was a national chain.
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Heather
1 post
May 12, 2009
2:21 PM
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Does anyone have photos of when 1470 West was located in the Hills and Dales Shopping Center? I'd love to add some to the 1470 Facebook Group.
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rubi
1 post
Jun 21, 2009
10:28 AM
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I was vey often at Hills and Dales shopping center back in 1973. I remeber at the east side of H&D a very nice Country- Music bar. Its name was "The Music man". They had live country music every night. Further I remeber a radio shack store and key store as well. Both of them where at the east side of the mall. I remeber the key store because I locked in the car key in my good old Pontiac Catalina. The clerc in this store made me a new key in two minutes without having its original. How? Miracle, I think.
NCR had a technical trainingcenter downstairs. The moved out, i gess in 1969 un build ist education center im Miamisburg at springvalley road
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Dwaine
1 post
Oct 10, 2009
4:46 PM
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I have a long history with Hills & Dale.. About 1963 as I remember, my grandmother would take me shopping. Most I like Murphy's Five & Dime. The reason I can recall so well is they had a large display of "Beatles" shoes. Boy did I want those. Food was good too. It smelled so clean in that place.
I also work at Hills and Dale. At Sweetwater for a bit as DJ and also at 1470 from 1982 until the city kicked us out as house DJ.
If you want 1470 images search YouTube. I have a few posted. If you have any videos or pictures let me know.
With-in the next few months I will have the 1470West.com (.org, .net, .ect...)website up. I will have many pictures and links to videos, plus 1470 reunions, shows and other 1470 info.
See ya on the dance floor!
Last Edited by on Oct 10, 2009 4:49 PM
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Bigmo
21 posts
Oct 12, 2009
11:24 AM
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Top Value stamps also had a redemption center at Hills and Dales. I helped close the store in 1974.
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ggs
1 post
Nov 23, 2009
1:44 PM
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this place was great for a middle and early high school student, they had a huge comic book shop, an occult shop, the venues(1470 and chameloen club) at the end had some of the best punk/indie rock shows in the early and mid 90s in D8N. Hope they did not burn the debris they razed.
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moke57
6 posts
Jan 12, 2010
5:20 PM
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....the auto parts store at the end by the christopher club was fleenors auto parts and changed names to autoworks......
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Diana
1 post
Mar 29, 2010
3:04 PM
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Hills and Dales Florist is the only remaining retail shop left from the Hills and Dales Shopping Centers beginning.The florist was established by Hugh Howard in 1960 and later purshased by Diana Roberts in 1977.
Diana moved the florist across the street on Kettering Blvd. in 1985 after Columbia Building Group (Dick Knowlton) quit offering leases to all the tenants and put everyone on month to month.That was the downfall of the shopping center. Diana and the staff will be celebrating the shops 50th anniversary this year.
The years created a long list of tenants:
Krogers,Liberals,DLM (for a short time),Murphys,Music Man,Dunhills,NCR, Hills and Dales Liquor,Hills and Dales Florist, Hills and Dales Hardware Store,Grey Drug Store,Singer Sewing,Gem City Bank,Bootlegger Bar,Hickory Farms,Branch Library, Redmans TV Repair,Sweetwater, Radio Shack and other offices in the lower level.
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delcodude
16 posts
Jul 13, 2010
11:06 AM
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Sledding on "suicide hill" behind Hills and Dales still brings back painful memories. Also at DP&L park on Woodman, behind the golf course. And Hodapp hill from Wyoming to St Charles was pure insanity, especially watching out for cars! Ouch!
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Monicat71
10 posts
Jul 20, 2010
7:27 PM
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We moved over by Hills & Dales Shopping Center in 1969
What a booming Center. I remember my boyfriend at the time we used to walk around Hills & Dales like it was a mall. I remember a Cassano's being there I worked there for awhile. There was a bar next door called the Music Man, and they would put orders through a little window. Later they put a whip &* sip in one of the vacant buildings an ice cream parlor where my sister worked for awhile. I remember the library being down in the basement. Wow how things are changed. Alot of new stores and resturants now. I loved the old Hills & Dales.
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gary schwob
2 posts
Feb 04, 2011
7:40 AM
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I was the Dayton Daily News paper boy for the shopping center when it originally opened. I remember the gravel field prior to development. There was a branch library downstairs, great place to hang out and read as it was air conditioned. Actually developed a love of books at this branch. There was also a golf course simulator downstairs at one time, along with NCR offices. My fondest memories were of Millers Sporting good store,
and the Hardware Store.
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cilla46
22 posts
Feb 04, 2011
4:02 PM
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I spent many,many,many nights in the Music Man at Hills and Dales Shopping Center.I started going there when Herbie Smith owned it and then my brother-in-law Vondal Moore bought it.His house band was Country Earth and they did play every night but Monday.Every Thursday was theme night and they rotated Beatles,Tom Jones,Elvis and a couple more that escape me right now.
I remember that when they were getting Sweetwater ready to open we all got to go in for a trial run .It had the lowest,loudest bass speakers I have ever heard....about knocked you out of your chair!My sister worked there for a while before it changed to 1470.We still went in about once a week or so because they had the most amazing dance floor and sound system.Went to several drag shows there and it was fun.
Good times!
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maxed out
225 posts
Feb 05, 2011
3:28 AM
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...cilla4.... Wasn't Vondal the lead singer for Pictorian Skiffulls at one time? They were a great Rolling Stone tribute band if I recall.
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cilla46
23 posts
Feb 05, 2011
7:36 AM
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Yes,Vondal actually started the Pictorian Skiffuls.He has had a long and varied career in the music business.He has an amazing voice and is still singing today.
He and my sister now live in Florida where he has a production company.If you would like,you can check out his website here. http://www.vondal-productions.com/Home.htm
On his site you can read his entire history and also hear him sing.
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Perry401
9 posts
Feb 21, 2011
9:12 PM
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For those who are not familiar with Hills and Dales, it followed what I call the court-yard shopping center design. This style shopping center was very popular in the late 1950's and early 1960's in the midwest.
Basically, stores were built around an open-air courtyard where concrete walks with grass, some plantings, and park benches in the courtyard. Sometimes there were fountains or other water features. Motor vehicles were not permitted in this area. In these type shopping centers, almost every store had a front and back door -- one facing the parking lots, the other the court yard. The doors onto the courtyards were considered the "front" doors in most cases. Storefronts aligned along the courtyards, but some stores were deeper than others so some stuck out into the parking lots, making the parking lot side of the shopping center irregular.
This was the predicessor of the mall stores which followed in the late 1960's and early 1970's and many of the courtyard shopping centers in the US were changed to malls simply by putting a roof over the courtyard.
One of the problems with this type arrangement was that delivery trucks had to use the parkinglot side of the stores where the customers parked. There often were no seperate loading docks at the smaller stores, and loading and unloading trucks interfered with the flow of customer traffic in the parking lots. At other times, customers parking in the wrong places created problems for delivery trucks.
In Dayton, Hills and Dales, and North Town followed the general courtyard approach, but both were build on hills, providing two levels of service. Usually, the lower level was used by offices while the upper level was shopping. In some cases, stores would be built to use some of the space under the store's showroom for deliveries, which could be brought in through the lower level without as much interference as in courtyard shoping centers built on a single level.
At least one of the grocery stores at either Hills and Dales or North Town was equipped with a special ventialtion system where the door would normally be, so that you could walk in and out of the store without needing to use a door. This was considered quite hi-tech. The ventilation system created a "curtain of air" which kept the air conditioning or heating inside the store. As I remember it, there was a noticable draft as you entered the store through these doorless entry points. This draft was strong enough to suck up insects, dust and dirt and the breeze discouraged birds and other animals like dogs from entering.
I remember going to the library at Hills and Dales while my mother shopped upstairs. This was a great idea -- drop the kids off at the library while shopping.
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F16 1UB
9 posts
Mar 17, 2011
7:19 AM
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I remember Jim Flynns sporting goods. I used to look at fishing lures on a rotating display case. Early 60's.
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luv my dayton
99 posts
Jul 30, 2012
6:28 AM
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I lived in Kettering for years before heading back to Dayton. Many outings were spent here as it was just a stones throw away from home. To us as children we thought this area was a major big shopping trip and back in 50's it probably was. Go by there often and its been done up beautifully with all the offices. Still saddens me though Thank god for old pics if you can get them and your own memories.
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