Where was your favorite Parkmoor Drive in ?

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Steve K 90 posts Sep 07, 2009 9:24 AM	A few more Dayton city directory entries for your edification 1967 Parkmoor 300 Salem 1967 McCallister (art supplies) 314 Salem 1971 Parkmoor 300 Salem 1971 McCallister (art supplies) 318 Salem 1973 Vacant 300 Salem 1973 McCallister (art supplies) 318 Salem 1978 McCallister (art supplies) 300 Salem 1996 McCallister (art supplies) 300 Salem Looks like Parkmoor closed between 1971 and 1973, and sometime after that, McCallister's moved in... A buddy and I went to McCallister's a couple times at the 300 Salem address... probably around 1974 I'm thinking... didn't have time to check every year of the directories to pin it down exactly. I don't remember the Parkmoor being there at all, but I only moved back to Dayton in 1970, and it was likely a year or two after that when I started going out Salem at all, then I was mostly at the coffee house at the Universalist church or out further at the Salem Mall... I think I've seen that 30 W. Third address for the Parkmoor listed in other years, so I don't think it's a mistake.
RIVERDALE RAT 184 posts Sep 07, 2009 10:08 AM	SteveK: Thanks this totally solves the mystery of the Salem Ave. location. the last time I remember a drive in being at that location was around 68-69. The 30 W. Third address still blows me away though. with Main street being the east/west divider, that location would have to have been between the old Liberal Market and the Third street entrance of the arcade. I totally dont remember a Parkmoor or any other restaurant being in that area. the only possibility I see is the fact that I am having a difficult time remembering what buisness occupied the Southwest corner of the arcade structure. I suppose it could have been there and I am just brain dead. Thanks for all your help. Last Edited by on Sep 07, 2009 10:09 AM
driver62 229 posts Sep 07, 2009 11:23 AM	Steve K - Thanks for the info. I never even thought about checking the city directory. Old age strikes again. I remember the 318 Salem address. After McAllisters moved to 300 Salem, they used the other place for art lessons. I guess that didn't last long as that building has been empty for many years.
RIVERDALE RAT 187 posts Sep 07, 2009 11:23 AM	Marck: if memory serves, I think the Rhino took over the old Gallahers spot on the Southeast corner of 3rd and Ludlow. I was thinking of the spot there on the corner where you come out of the Arcade onto West 3rd Street.
RIVERDALE RAT 192 posts Sep 07, 2009 2:15 PM	driver62: Yes thats the one, it had a African theme. they moved into the old space where Gallahers Drug store used to be on 3rd and Ludlow. I am almost positive of that. now they may have relocated to 4th street at a later date but unless I am totally bonkers (possible) they were never there during my era.
dquartz 84 posts Sep 07, 2009 8:30 PM	i remember that place. i think it was at 3rd and ludlow.
dquartz 87 posts Sep 07, 2009 8:43 PM	newsnot..hows the research coming on that parkmoor burger ?
RIVERDALE RAT 196 posts Sep 07, 2009 8:46 PM	dquartz: somebody is going to guess that one pretty quick. probably Mike, Driver or steve. newsnot: yes, there was a bunch of Parkmoors in Cincy as well.
RIVERDALE RAT 199 posts Sep 07, 2009 9:05 PM	newsnot: thats a really good question on the demise of Parkmoor. that happened after I left Dayton. I tried to research it once (quickly) and all I could find was a article about a restaurant named Parkmoor going out of buisness in St. Louis.
tlturbo 145 posts Sep 08, 2009 5:24 AM	OK, Vicki has a question. She thinks there was a McDonalds on N Main across from the Elder Beermans and the Ames theater. That would be toward downtown from Forest Park area . Any one remember? When did McDonalds start coming to the Dayton area? Was it before the mid-late 60's? I ate lunch at the Rhino a lot around 68-70. It was on the SE corner of Ludlow and 3rd or 4th. ALSO - what was the big cafeteria on the N side of 4th? between Main & Ludlow?
RIVERDALE RAT 204 posts Sep 08, 2009 8:42 AM	TURBO: I recall an Elder Beermans on Sibenthaler but not on North Main. The first Mc Donaldi that I ate in in Dayton was on Gettysburg just off of Salem (behind the church) that was around 63-64 and the place looked like it had been there for years. The cafeteria on 4th street was gone by the time I started hanging out Downtown but I think it may have been Culps. The Rhino was at 3rd and Ludlow where the old Gallahers drug store used to be.
dquartz 97 posts Sep 08, 2009 7:46 PM	newsnot: did you ever figure out the name of the parkmoor burger ? has anyone figured out when parkmoor moved out of dayton and why ?
corvettes6 45 posts Sep 08, 2009 8:10 PM	There was an Elder Beerman at Northtown N. of the Ames next to the Sidedoor Bar and there also was a McDonalds across the street south of Elder Beerman across from the Ames However could she be thinking of the Burger Chef that was on E side of street by carwash halfway between Beermans and the Ames
newsnot 93 posts Sep 09, 2009 4:34 AM	dquartz, it has not come to me yet. it should i ate enough of them.
RIVERDALE RAT 218 posts Sep 09, 2009 9:57 AM	corvettes6: OK, I remember the Elder Beermans in Northtown. if memory serves it was a amall 2 storie, am I right ?
dquartz 109 posts Sep 09, 2009 7:43 PM	i think i read somewhere on here where that whole shopping center is torn down, is this right ?
dquartz 115 posts Sep 09, 2009 8:20 PM	does anybody remember what was parkmoors mascot/logo. this isnt a quiz question, i really dont remember.
tlturbo 148 posts Sep 10, 2009 5:05 AM	If we're talking about the same place, it was a 2 story strip center a block or so S of Forest Park Parkmoor but across the street. My last year or so in Dayton I worked as a computer programmer for Cole-Layer-Trumble. They had a big black office building on Salem and rented a small building (for computer center) and the old house next door (for us programmers) on out Salem. We needed more room for the programmers like me so they rented office space on the second floor of that strip center. We would take back roads from the computer center on Salem through neighborhoods over to N Main. There was a parking lot behind the strip center with an entrance and stairs to our offices upstairs. Thanks for the memory - I had forgotten about that place. I was only there about 6 months before moving to Florida.
driver62 245 posts Sep 10, 2009 7:54 AM	Yep, that's the same place.
icsalum 8 posts Sep 10, 2009 1:46 PM	The Parkmoor double decker sandwich was called a Jumbo Burger - just like a Big Boy, but it had a sesame seed bun (pre Big Mac). Also, an earlier post mentioned the Parkmoor in the Arcade. Frisch's had a counter restaurant in the Arcade for a number of years through mid-1968. The Frisch's Arcade location was taken over by Parkmoor in late 1968. It only lasted a couple years.
RIVERDALE RAT 230 posts Sep 10, 2009 3:56 PM	icsalum: GOOD JOB !! I knew someone would hit it sooner or later. everyone was probably thinking too hard trying to remember a catch name like "Parky Boy" I am the one who has been trying to figure out the location of the Parkmoor in the arcade. I recall a Frisch's on Main across from Rikes but I still cant recall a Frischs or a Parkmoor in the arcade. was it on the 3rd street side or under the dome ? Anyway, thanks for the answer.
icsalum 12 posts Sep 10, 2009 4:06 PM	The Arcade Frisch's/Parkmoor was a conter/coffee shop operation right near the Dome area. Amazingly, Frisch's had 3 downtown locations in the mid-sixties - Main Street (across from rikes), first and Wilkinson and the Arcade location. The main street location lasted the longest - until the mid-eighties.
RIVERDALE RAT 231 posts Sep 10, 2009 4:52 PM	icsalum: I chowed down many a Buddie Boy and Brawny Lad in the 1st and Wilkinson site. it was right across from the old Greyhound. spent my fair share of time in the one on Main Street, but for the life of me I cant recall anything in the arcade. maybe I just never paid much attention. I remember the drug store, several restaurants and a bunch of meat cases, thats where I first learned what Mountain Oysters were. I am always happy when I learn something new on here especially when it's something I should have already known....Thanks.
RIVERDALE RAT 242 posts Sep 11, 2009 10:28 AM	dquartz: if memory serves the Parkmoor Mascot was a little guy in a Chef's Hat named "Parky"
dquartz 131 posts Sep 11, 2009 5:54 PM	somebody said that parkmoor and char-burger was owned by the same people. anybody know if this is true ?
newsnot 106 posts Sep 11, 2009 7:33 PM	dquartz: parkmoor and red barn were the same company. their commissary was on stanley avenue. we used to sell them meat for their hamburgers.
RIVERDALE RAT 243 posts Sep 11, 2009 10:49 PM	newsnot: you are right I remember Red Barn and Parkmoor being affiliated. forgot all about it. where was the commissary at on Stanley ? what was it near ? I cant place it for some reason.
dquartz 133 posts Sep 12, 2009 2:47 PM	hey guys. i found this post under another thread so i moved it here so this crowd wouldnt miss it.. rfk61, I used to work at Top Value Enterprises. That was indeed a Parkmoor across the street on Woodman Dr. I ate chicken there literally every other day. I paid $1.49 for 5 pieces of chicken, fries and cole slaw... posted by Bigmo. Last Edited by on Sep 12, 2009 3:04 PM
RIVERDALE RAT 253 posts Sep 12, 2009 5:31 PM	dquartz: yep, that price sounds crazy in todays times, but I remember it because frisch's used to charge 20 cents more at the time. theirs was $1.79
dquartz 142 posts Sep 12, 2009 6:32 PM	newsnot: thanks for the information, i was told by somebody that it was charburger. did you ever remember where was the commissary at on Stanley ? what was it near ? I cant place it for some reason.
dquartz 212 posts Sep 20, 2009 1:14 AM	ok guys, i just talked to a friend of mine who moved out of dayton in late 1971. he wasnt a big fan of parkmoor but he said that the best he can remember when he left dayton there was only a couple of parkmoors left. the only location he remembers for sure was the one on airway road. i know i have been trying to figure out why and when they all went out and i figured some of you other guys gals who no longer live in dayton may have been wondering the same thing. still cant find out why they folded but at least we have a fairly good idea of when. stevek..already told us that there was about 6 left at the begining of 1970, so that means the rest of them folded up fairly quick.
RIVERDALE RAT 362 posts Sep 23, 2009 8:01 PM	Iam thinking that Airway Rd, may have been the absolute last one.
SeeDavid 313 posts Sep 24, 2009 10:34 PM	Vandalia had a Parkmoor at National and Ranchview just W. of the on ramp to SB 75----loved the Jumbo Burger. I can still smell the place and the vinyl seats and see the waitress uniforms with the white "nurse" lookin hats, and the little white aprons with "Parkmoor" embroidered on them. When my sister and brother were little I remember they gave away this super flat sponges they called "super sponges" with the Parkmoor logo on them... when you put them in water they would become regular sponges. (I think they were dried and smashed and I will stick by that.. I don't believe in magic super sponges".. ha ha. great memories still. Great smells and the mind is a wonderful place to take us back to the good things in life, huh?? I remember my Mom always called it a "Double burger".. but it was a Jumbo Burger. Big Chefs are the reason I stopped wearing petite clothes after high school. tee hee ... Cindi
mickeyc 2 posts Jun 27, 2010 2:44 PM	Wasn't it the Parkie?
driver62 319 posts Jun 28, 2010 7:13 AM	If the one at 3591 Salem is the one that sat at the entrance to the Salem drive-in, the building is still standing and is now a pancake house. Last Edited by on Jun 28, 2010 7:13 AM
supersix 9 posts Jun 28, 2010 8:38 AM	I was thinking that the pancake house was the former Cha-r Burger, but I could be wrong.
delcodude 1 post Jul 12, 2010 10:05 PM	The Parkmoor on Airway moved to Linden Ave before finally closing I think. That's why its not listed on the '70 list. The one on Woodman became Hail & Hearty's and retained the chicken recipe.
Doug68 74 posts Aug 01, 2010 6:27 PM	Many of the 'kids' I went to school with at Northmont High School during the 1960's hung out at the Parkmoor on N. Main St. The mostly hot cars - and many not so hot - would circle the parking lot, over and over. Around and around. Probably doesn't sound very fun to the kids today - but we had a blast!!
tlturbo 203 posts Aug 03, 2010 12:00 PM	Agree. Today it is park the car and wander around the show talking to people and looking at the cars. I don't think the 'strategy' for 'Cruisin 60's Style' has ever really been discussed. There usually was a route between all the local cruise spots and if one was dead or you got bored, you headed to the next. You parked and sat in the car ordering coke after coke that the car hops brought to your car. Not many got out and socialized but you tried to park next to a friend. OR a cute girl. The whole idea was to have your car seen, be seen yourself and meet girls, find a party to go to or find another car to go drag race. It was a tremendous social event that has no equal today. I remember the line being over 1/4 mile long to cruise through the Country Kitchen in Kettering. Once you got a parking spot, you would order coke or fries all night to be able to stay there. They usually had a brownie (hired) cop walking around but most were pretty cool unless you really were causing trouble.
HENRYR10 11 posts Aug 08, 2010 5:09 PM	The Parkmoor at Woodman and Dorthy Lane behind the Stump's Market plaza was a big hang out when I was a young teen. The Country Kitchen kind of drove it under....lol! It was the 'cruising' capital of Kettering by the late 60's. Most nights you couldn't get near the lot for the traffic. Last Edited by on Aug 08, 2010 5:14 PM
RIVERDALE RAT 468 posts Aug 18, 2010 8:37 PM	I loved the Country Kitchen. There will never be another Time or era like that in the History of Mankind. I never realized at the time how lucky I was to experience coming of age during that fabulous period in American History. If we still had places like that today, there would probably be somebody getting shot or cut up almost every night and the Drug Units would be everywhere. Sad, truly sad. Last Edited by on Aug 18, 2010 8:39 PM
newsnot 197 posts Aug 19, 2010 7:22 AM	riverdale, parkmoor was owned by the same people who had the red barn franchise. their commisary was on stanley avenue. wonder what led to their demise?
RIVERDALE RAT 488 posts Aug 24, 2010 3:53 PM	I never heard what happened, but if I had the money, I would give a shot at re-opening the Red Barn's. I think Red Barn food would still be a big hit even today.
Bigmo 39 posts Aug 27, 2010 11:30 AM	I don't recall many specifics, but I interviewed one of the brothers who owned Parkmoor in 1984. At that point, the Woodman Dr store was closing, leaving only the Airway store. The owner - I wish I could remember his name - was at least 80 years old. Basically the family had grown too old to manage the business and were either unable to sell it, or had no intention of selling it. They stopped investing in remodeling the restaurants since the 1960s other than needed repairs. They began closing them one by one until the Airway store was the last one. The Dixie Golden Fried Chicken recipe went to Hail and Hearty later. Sold to H&H? Then somehow wound up in the hands of Frickers. Maybe the guy at Frickers knows the recipe history better. I was a reporter at WING radio when I did the interview and aired it during a newscast. Last Edited by on Aug 27, 2010 11:32 AM
newsnot 201 posts Aug 27, 2010 4:52 PM	riverdale & bigmo yes red barns would do good today. they had a better product than mcdonalds. were red barn's a franchise or just a subsidary of parkmoor?
RIVERDALE RAT 518 posts Aug 27, 2010 9:06 PM	newsnot: Somewhere on here under some topic, a person commented on having worked in a Red Barn in Topeka. I would imagine if they were scattered about in other states that they may have been franchise or at least had some franchise units. I'm not sure if Parkmoor started Red Barn or somehow just ended up with them. If Red Barn started up today and maintained the same quality and standards, as before, then they would be a big hit, I'm almost sure. Truth being, if they would have lasted through the years we would all probably be on here complaining about how we never go there because the food quality has dropped so low and the prices are outrageous. That seems to be the case with every fast food place that was around in our day.
DebCB 11 posts Sep 25, 2010 7:13 PM	My teenage friends and I used to go to the Parkmoor on Airway and order something inexpensive inside and wait for some cute guys to drive through in their cars and we'd catch a ride with them and drive around all evening looking for parties or just having a good time. I remember one night seeing a little mouse inside and telling the waitress about it. She didn't seem bothered at all.
newsnot 210 posts Sep 28, 2010 8:56 AM	riverdale, guess red barns were a national chain. yes very high standards. guess parkmor had the local franchise. red barn's were also in cincinnati.
ejbrown 2 posts Oct 05, 2010 4:41 PM	strange I remember this but I had a friend in second grade who's dad was the manager at the Parkmoor on Main in Forest Park. That was 1968, their last name was Protos. I'm surprised it didn't make it past 1970 although I don't remember my friend after second grade.
cilla46 7 posts Dec 24, 2010 12:08 PM	My Parkmoor was the one at the corner of Smithville and Watervliet. It was right next to the Belmont Lanes bowling alley. I went there every weekend with my brother and all our friends. It was like the "office" for some of the guys.Randy White,Mike Rentas,Bob Blazik{sp.}were like the bosses of Belmont back then.They were there to oversee the goings on in their territory!Ah,the good old days!This was in the early 60's when those kind of guys were called "Hoods"

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