LuAnn
6 posts
Oct 10, 2013
1:57 PM
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I don't suppose the actual school building is still in Kettering. I went there in Kindergarten, first, and second grades. Had great memories of walking to school, the teachers,and my mother packing my lunch!!
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luv my dayton
415 posts
Oct 10, 2013
6:30 PM
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Rose E. MIller was used as a school for children with disabilities. At some point it was sold and a developer built very nice homes in that area.Many of the other Kettering schools Rolling Fields, Meadowlawn are both churches and Roselawn is a school for the talent and arts.. Amazing to think that Kettering was over run with children and schools and then years later population decreased. Would you by chance remember the name of the school that used to be on Marshal Rd. near David Rd.?
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olds88
144 posts
Oct 10, 2013
7:59 PM
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I seem to recall that Rose E Miller was at one time called Tecumseh as was the general area before Kettering. They just tore down an old RR station behind the old lumber company and it was called Tecumseh station.Nobody was interested in saving this structure for what ever reason.
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FreedomWriter
49 posts
Oct 11, 2013
9:29 AM
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luv my dayton: The school your asking about was Ernst Elementary.
Olds88: I do not recall that school ever called Tecumseh or that surrounding area either. I do remember it being called (Pasadena)... The area in which you were recalling was called Beavertown or Dean Town or has even been called Buddsbury or the past 200 years.
Last Edited by FreedomWriter on Oct 11, 2013 9:30 AM
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olds88
145 posts
Oct 11, 2013
10:39 AM
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You are correct FW I HAD PLAYED BASKETBALL there when i was in grade school.Still cant figure out why the little freight rr station had Pasedena on the front. I just saw it a few years ago .
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FreedomWriter
50 posts
Oct 11, 2013
11:24 AM
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I know about the train station you mentioned. I wished it could`ve been saved but no body with the means seemed to show any interest in it. I know the station was named for the neighborhood just to the west of where it stood. Alot of the neighborhoods were given names by the railroad because they owned the adjoining properties and thats how they were marketed to potential buyers. My dad went to Pasedena school in the late 40`s, early 50`s until Beavertown elementary opened up.
Last Edited by FreedomWriter on Oct 11, 2013 11:25 AM
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FreedomWriter
51 posts
Oct 11, 2013
11:29 AM
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And if you go to where the school used to stand they have a ground plaque back along a pathway that used to hang on the front of the building that told about the year it opened, and the members of the school board at that time. Really neat history. Lived here all my life. Many ties with the areas
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Susan63
47 posts
Aug 09, 2014
10:28 PM
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There are new houses in the area near Rose E. Miller and the old train station there, but there are still woods too. Curious as to if there are any remnants left there of the former train tracks. Kettering should have preserved the former train station.
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luv my dayton
696 posts
Aug 10, 2014
8:02 AM
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a friend of mine lived in that area for years and I am in the area a lot. No train tracks or station there now unless your talking in the area of Dorothy ln and Oakmont where Wagner Wood lumber was located. Am thinking one of the small businesses back off the rd may be the old train station. Train tracks ran backside of Gaylord ave and those still there. Kettering has changed drastically over the years and there are many signs of old tracks that can be found. You have my curiosity up and heading over that way today.
Last Edited by luv my dayton on Aug 10, 2014 8:05 AM
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RoyGBiv
1 post
Aug 11, 2014
6:37 AM
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Unfortunately, the Pasadena Station was demolished when the Wagner Wood buildings were taken down. I'm not aware of any remaining rails in that immediate area but, as is discussed on another thread, the rails are still in place for the spur that connected Earl D. Creager's business to the main line. These rails are visible alongside the bike path a couple hundred yards downgrade of the Shroyer crossing.
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Susan63
49 posts
Aug 11, 2014
12:50 PM
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RoyGBiv, where exactly can I find those still existing old tracks? There are woods back by the new housing out where the train station was. Curious as to if anything may remain in the wooded area. I got to go check it out sometime.
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RoyGBiv
2 posts
Aug 11, 2014
4:34 PM
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Susan63, the rails I described are a section of a former spur that’s about a mile and a half northwest of where the Pasadena Station stood. The rails are behind one of the commercial buildings on Shroyer Road just north of Carmel’s. The rails are on private property but visible through a fence that runs along the former rail line, which is now a public bikeway/recreational trail.
Regarding the Pasadena neighborhood, the DL&C Railroad issued a promotional booklet in 1912 containing a couple of photos that might interest you. One of these shows coal being delivered behind the buildings on Dorothy Lane where the current-day “Treasure Barn” stands:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/photo/news/photos/181b6653d58680386628a158954a137b/pXZw4/
The background of the photo shows the area around Gaylord Ave. shortly before that plat was developed.
Another photo is a view toward the southeast of the Pasadena neighborhood. My guess is that the buildings barely visible near the center of the photo are somewhere along Wilmington Pike:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/photo/news/photos/2c1592305f8b27a931a1d88de5ca3005/pXZwD/
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FreedomWriter
89 posts
Aug 12, 2014
2:34 PM
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Re:RoyGBiv: You are pretty close with your guess concerning the picture of the train going through the Pasadena area. It is a picture where the tracks split off, one going north towards pasadena and the other going toward what is now Delco Park. To be exact, if you look center top of the picture you can see the stone church which is at Wilmington Pk and Bigger Rd today. To the left of the train engine is where Meijers parking lot area is now. The part going into Pasadena crossed Stroop Rd near the Phonebooth Lounge. Their are still two advertising signs near the former crossing. A side Note: If you go to Delco Park next to where the bike racing area is, you`ll find the train tressle that crosses over the Little Beaver Creek. Its still intact with everything there.
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RoyGBiv
3 posts
Aug 12, 2014
7:12 PM
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Thanks, FreedomWriter. The exact orientation of that photo had puzzled me but your description makes total sense. One thing that’s still unclear to me about that area is that a couple old maps I’ve seen identify a “Roslyn Station” on the rail line that ran toward the northeast. I believe this would have been located about where that line crossed Wilmington Pike (and near where the present-day Roslyn Ave. intersects Wilmington). Any insights as to whether an actual station stood in that area?
I will definitely go have a look at the trestle in Delco Park.
Getting back to the Pasadena neighborhood, one of the interesting things about that plat is its concentration of houses having pre-cast concrete block foundations. These types of blocks have uneven outer edges that simulate the appearance of cut stone and were commonly used for house foundations for about a decade or so before and after WWI. The blocks were more affordable than quarried stone but their use tapered off as Ready-Mix Concrete became widely available.
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FreedomWriter
92 posts
Aug 13, 2014
5:28 PM
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RoyGBiv: That Roslyn Station you mentioned was a station along the interurban line that ran from Dayton, thru Beavertown and on into Bellbrook and continuing down into Spring Valley.I saw a picture somewhere showing the interurban on its way in that general area of Roslyn & Wilmington. And Its called Wilmington Pike because it once was a toll road. There are still mile markers today showing how far it is into dayton. At least where Dayton was incorporated at when they were made.
If you go to Delco Park be ready to do a little climbing because they excavated down about 10 feet or so from track level, but its possible to see the whole trestle intact.
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FreedomWriter
93 posts
Aug 13, 2014
5:52 PM
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Here is a website that has that picture I mentioned above. http://daytonhistory.pastperfect-online.com/34465cgi/mweb.exe?request=image&hex=P2008540875.JPG
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RoyGBiv
7 posts
Sep 09, 2014
6:43 PM
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Freedom: Belated thanks for the information about the trestle and interurban line. It was great to have a look at the trestle (rails and all). The stone that supports the trestle is from the Dayton Formation, which is a type of local bedrock that was quarried at several nearby sites in Beavertown and also in Centerville.
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FreedomWriter
102 posts
Sep 10, 2014
7:16 PM
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RoyGBiv: Oh your welcome.. Pretty neat place. Actually used to go swimming there as a kid before they dumped all the big concrete pieces in there. Their was also a stone quarry down on Wilmington Ave just behind the high-rise AFL-CIO building. Nice big lake where it was. Not many people know thats actually there because its kinda hidden. But back to the train trestle. Thats about the only piece that remains now of that line past the old Delco plant. The old crossing on Stroop Rd is next to the phonebooth lounge. You can still see a couple rail advertising signs hanging up there. Its the two smaller signs that were put there for train ads to be put on. Same pairing of signs used to be at the Dorothy lane crossing but vanished along time ago.
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FreedomWriter
103 posts
Sep 12, 2014
3:16 PM
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The signs are on the south side of stroop Rd right next to a bar called the phonebooth lounge. They are little half signs that were put there so the train passsengers could see some advertising on their way into the city. Passenger service ran until the 1930's in that area. If you know where Casanos pizza is on Stroop Rd, there is one building to their west, then you'll see the signs on the same side of thr road. The South side. As far as a station building, im unclear about that. There was a big building to the west in the 1920's that was supposedly a movie house. Maybe that could be it. Sometimes they had little maintenance buildings at a crossing only as big as an outhouse to keep things in, supplies etc. Even those type of buildings today have names, but doesnt really mean that anything is really there.
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stick
11 posts
Sep 22, 2014
5:24 PM
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My sister went to Rose E. Miller, somewhere I still have a picture of her standing in front of the school in a cap and gown when she graduated Kindergarten. When I went to Kindergarten, I went to Beavertown. We grew up in the neighborhood south of Dorothy Lane and east of Wilmington. My friends and I used the old railroad tracks as our playground. You had to watch out for the trains.
Last Edited by stick on Sep 22, 2014 5:35 PM
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grandmabeth
1 post
Jan 31, 2015
8:58 PM
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I went to Rose E. Miller in the 50's until 1960. I remember the ceremony when the name was changed from Pasadena in about 1957. I would have liked to see the school again before it was torn down. Does anyone know what happened to the memorial plaques for those who were killed in WWI? I hope they were preserved somewhere. I had lunch today with a friend from those days, and we were able to name all the teachers that were there during that time. I thought it was the coolest school.
Last Edited by grandmabeth on Jan 31, 2015 8:59 PM
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olds88
324 posts
Feb 01, 2015
2:42 PM
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The train ran freight as far as Centerville in early 70s.One line ran up Shroyer from down town,South of Stroop another line joined which came from Woodman south through Delco.There was mostly coal and lumber.It actually still ran to Lytle in the 50s.The section from shroyer north to Irving was in a big ravine with a spur to Dayton state.
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Susan63
71 posts
Mar 22, 2015
8:47 PM
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Interesting stuff, I will have to delve more into the old pics and history later when I have the time. Great reads, as I live in Kettering and love to read stories and see historical pictures.
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Susan63
74 posts
Mar 23, 2015
12:34 PM
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Does anyone know if the small red building along Dorothy Lane near the former Pasadena Station has any historical significance? It sets way back from the road and has been a restaurant with different names and owners over the years. It sets behind the building near the road which was a flower shop. Curious about that one too.
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FreedomWriter
157 posts
Mar 23, 2015
7:36 PM
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The building that is now the Bellbrook fence company used to be an auction house back in the 50's-60's time. Way back in the mid 1800's that area was a coal dump yard. It was in conjunction with the farmhouse just to the east of where this all was. Once again, their are a few pictures out their showing a train dumping some coal into bins along with that farmhouse and barn which is still there today. The middle building like you said has been various things in its history but it and the front buildings both started out being homes just near the railroad... The only reason I know so much about the Kettering area is because I've lived in it for my whole life, having grown up across from there in the neighboorhood which back in the day was a gravel pit operation.
Last Edited by FreedomWriter on Mar 23, 2015 7:45 PM
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Susan63
83 posts
Mar 24, 2015
5:56 PM
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FreedomWrite, So, I guess the old house and red barn, which like an antique place were part of the former farm associated with the coal dump to the right? Also, are you flamiliar with the Abner House on Stroop Road near Ackerman Blvd.? I heard the house was part of a dairy farm. I live not far behind that house.
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luv my dayton
903 posts
Mar 25, 2015
8:50 AM
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Susan 63, if your talking about the big two story double sitting back in off of Stroop my now deceased father in law said he remembered living there as a child. Don't know anymore about it but pass by there often and think of him every time. May be too late but wish Kettering would put out some form of memorabilia off the past as a lot of us on here will be leaving the planet and not much to be handed down to the younger ones coming along. Centervilled, Oakwood and Dayton have done it and love what they came up with.
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Susan63
86 posts
Mar 25, 2015
12:16 PM
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Luv my dayton, I think you are thinking about the white house that sets way back from the road, which is next to a small house that has been abanoned along time ago. I am thinking about another house several houses east closer to Ackerman Blvd. This is also a very old house. But, the house you are referring to, was it part of a farm back when your father in law lived there?
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FreedomWriter
171 posts
Mar 26, 2015
9:49 AM
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Susan63: Yes that house and barn used to go along with the coal dump place. Their is a book that has a picture showing just that...You can just about figure that if you see a big house that just stands out around all the other ones, its probably from back in the farming era. They seem hidden amongst the modern housing.
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luv my dayton
908 posts
Mar 26, 2015
1:30 PM
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I grew up in Kettering and after reading all these posts and details I'm getting a picture of what the area of stroop,shroyer,Dorothy ln,Wilmington,Ackerman looked like. It would have all had to be farmland or forest because all of what is now Lincoln Park was undeveloped until sometime in late 60s and all the property across the way where Fairmont is was farmland until they started construction of the high school. For years when it was still farmland dozens of us kids living on those streets had a tree house and plenty of room for ball games . Across far hills was a wooded area with a riding stable. Over the years large homes,offices and condos overtook that entire area . Lincoln park has provided Kettering with fraze Pavillion with concerts all summer,a beautiful pond to fish and bird watch and path to walk. I spend a lot of time over there enjoying the beauty that nature has to offer. According to statistics until 1955 the area was Van Buren Twp then became Kettering. I started school there in1950.
Last Edited by luv my dayton on Mar 26, 2015 7:11 PM
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