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luv my dayton
8 posts
May 25, 2012
8:01 AM
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Anyone remember when we had two newspapers in town The Journal Herald and Dayton Daily? One was delivered in the morning and the other was delivered in afternoon. Sad to think that with the progress that has taken place we may end up with no newspaper delivery and that will be just another memory.
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PaulH
97 posts
May 25, 2012
9:00 AM
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The Dayton Daily News was the afternoon paper, except for the Sunday edition. I had to get up early to insert the comics and ads, and then deliver the papers before we went to church.
Too much work for too little return. For a while, I made almost as much in tips as I did from the papers.
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Last Edited by on May 25, 2012 9:01 AM
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KennyE11
74 posts
May 26, 2012
3:03 AM
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As a result of some research I did a few years back, I found out that prior to 1937, there were three newspapers: the Dayton Journal, the Dayton Herald, and the Dayton Daily News. If I remember my research correctly, I think one of the forerunners of the Journal Herald also had Sunday delivery, which was apparently discontinued when the papers merged. I don't know if both of those papers (DJ and DH) were morning papers, or if the DDN was always an afternoon paper (prior to the merger with the JH).
Do any of our contributors on this blog remember when there were three Dayton newspapers?
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Riverdale Ghost
280 posts
May 26, 2012
5:49 AM
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As I recall (I could be wrong) the Journal was the morning paper and the Herald was the afternoon paper. And, it was the Journal that had the Associated Press membership which made it the more valuable of the two.
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 Honest Communications Is The Foundation of Civilizations.
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DaytonDennis
28 posts
May 26, 2012
6:32 AM
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My brother and some neighbor kids delivered the DDN. The DDN was (and still is) a left-leaning paper, whereas the JH was the more conservative paper. DDN bought out the JH and after a few years, the JH was gone. I miss it. I don't subscribe to the DDN anymore because it quit being a "news" paper years ago and post editoral opinions as front page headlines. *sigh* I miss the days when all views were expressed on the editorial page and front pages were for factual news. Their readership is WAY down for just such reasons. I still buy a copy every once in a while to read about major events that have happened. I think cable TV and the internet has greatly cut into the newspapers readership as well.
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DaytonDennis
29 posts
May 26, 2012
6:35 AM
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Riverdale, why do you believe the AP was detrimental to the JH? Or do you mean the UPI? UPI pretty much died, but AP is used by most main-stream media as a source.
Last Edited by on May 26, 2012 6:35 AM
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Riverdale Ghost
281 posts
May 26, 2012
3:42 PM
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DaytonDennis,
The COMBINED Journal - Herald (Journal AND Herald or JH) is/was not the same as the Herald alone.
The LACK of the Associated Press was detrimental to the Herald, not the combined Journal - Herald.
As I understand it, the rule was there could only be two AP memberships per city, one for the morning and one for the evening. That was to cut down on numerous reports from different sources especially if they were conflicting. The wire's editors didn't know which to use as the most accurate.
The Daily News had the evening membership and the morning wire belonged to the Journal (not the Herald).
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Honest Communications Is The Foundation of Civilizations.
Last Edited by on May 27, 2012 12:39 AM
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joeferrara
31 posts
May 26, 2012
4:07 PM
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"The DDN was (and still is) a left-leaning paper, whereas the JH was the more conservative paper. "...so you noticed that too, huh? I think the JH was closed down around 1993. The current DDN is just barely worth buying anymore. It's only around 20 pages and the only reason I get it at all is for the morning crossword/Jumble puzzles. They changed crossword sources about 4 years ago and it gets progressively more annoying as the week goes on, so much so that I stopped buying it on THUR/FRI/SAT. I don't need to spend money to be annoyed, lots of people I know will do it for free! I used to enjoy the Saturday morning puzzle, but not any more. Sunday is still a challenge. The rest of the local information can be readily obtained from WHIO-TV's web site. Television will never replace the newspaper however. Have you ever tried to kill a fly with a TV set?
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gris66
82 posts
May 26, 2012
6:04 PM
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I delivered both the Dayton Daily News (lower Salem, Arnold, Central, Grafton Avenues) and the Journal Herald (Santa Clara, Niagara, Victor Avenues) from about 1962 to 1965. The JH was 45 cents a week and the DDN was 62 cents but went up to 67 cents at some point.
Sunday was a heavy day but I loved going to Henry's bakery after delivery, picking up three donuts and chocolate milk and then going home to read the sports page... the Reds, Clay beating Liston, AJ Foyt winning another 500... Great memories.
Last Edited by on May 26, 2012 6:54 PM
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KennyE11
75 posts
May 26, 2012
11:59 PM
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Ghost - Thanks for filling in the gaps on my question regarding the three Dayton newspapers. My research (back to the early 20th Century) was primarily Sports related, and I was not paying much attention to editorial content. I really only noted News coverage of significant historical events (e.g. Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh baby kidnapping, etc.).
From my own life experience, I grew up with reading the JH in the morning and paying less attention to the DDN in the evening (except on Sunday). In my youth - when the editorial staffs were separate? - I paid less attention to which paper was more Conservative and which was more Liberal. I paid more attention to who was a better head sportswriter - Si Burick or Ritter Collett.
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Riverdale Ghost
282 posts
May 27, 2012
2:02 AM
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KennyE11,
It's more a matter of remembering some of what I was told rather than actually "remembering it," as it was more or less before my time.
A town could have dozens of newspapers, but it wasn't easy to get reports from beyond the immediate community due to staff limitations. In some cases that could be important, like knowing what was happening in Columbus or Cincinnati if one was in Dayton. They could all buy from something like United Press (later United Press International), but those also had staff limitations.
Associated Press membership included a requirement of turning in local stories to a centralized office, like in Columbus for things throughout the state of Ohio. Those were then put "on the (teletype) wire" that went to all of the members. If a paper had access to the "state wire" (as well as national) they received a measure of the apparently more important stuff throughout the state well before any word more or less drifted around.
When Cox bought the Journal Herald, what Cox mostly bought was the morning AP wire. Cox already had many (if not most) of the large advertisers buying space in the Daily News and many of the subscribers taking the Daily News. If the thing was up for sale, it only made sense to buy it.
And, like I said, it was the Journal, not the Herald that had the AP wire. When those two papers were merged, it was the Herald that was essentially phased out. And, when Cox went to one newspaper, believe it or not, it was the Daily News that was essentially phased out. They kept the name, the staff, the approach, etc., but they discontinued the evening newspaper.
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Honest Communications Is The Foundation of Civilizations.
Last Edited by on May 27, 2012 2:07 AM
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