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183 posts
Jun 07, 2010
12:14 PM
what do we know about liberal markets? didn't the schears own them? when did they close? what caused them to close?

Last Edited by on Jun 07, 2010 12:15 PM
Riverdale Ghost
51 posts
Jun 07, 2010
3:58 PM
Well, how very, very interesting!

Just out of curiosity to see what would come up, I ran a search on "Liberal Market Dayton" via bing.

It seems classmates.com has a Liberal Markets (1968-79) community according to the profile of a woman from Bradford. I don't have a paid up membership in classmates.com so I can't look farther, but maybe someone can....

Even more interesting, it seems the sweet people from Meadowdale high school are kindly reprinting stuff from this site and who knows where else on their site:


They have promised to help everyone out by posting updates there as they appear here. And, frankly, I haven't posted anything for the sake of Meadowdale....

Honest Communications Is The Foundation of Civilizations.
30 posts
Jun 08, 2010
6:40 PM
there used to be a liberal store on Linden Ave. in Dayton near Smithville Rd. The market switched hands now called Save a Lot.
160 posts
Jun 12, 2010
1:02 PM
There used to be a Liberal supermarket in the Forest Park Plaza. It was on one end and Kroger was on the other. It depended on what each store had on special that week as to where my Mother went.
9 posts
Jun 16, 2010
6:09 PM
I remember there was a Liberal Market that shared an entrance with Concord City on Edwin Moses (Miami Blvd) back in the sixties and seventies. Maybe even part of the eighties.

Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2010 8:50 AM
3 posts
Feb 03, 2011
8:31 AM
There was a Liberal's at 2010 North Main Street. My parents did all of our grocery shopping there. The butcher gave us a bag of bones for our dog, free, and I bought my Fizzies there :) My sisters named me after a cashier there ...haha.
2 posts
Mar 10, 2011
6:22 PM
Liberal had a big ranch near Clayton. They had their own herd of cattle there.
65 posts
Mar 10, 2011
7:25 PM
Yeah the ranch was called Schearbrook Farms. There is a housing development there now. I don't remember the road it was on but it was close to the joint vocational school on Hoke.
1 post
Mar 21, 2011
6:20 PM
Becky73 - I worked at Liberal markets in Northtown Shopping Center and my buddies worked at the opposite end(Gershows) in 1955-1957
2 posts
Jan 02, 2013
11:14 AM
There was a Stump's in Kettering on Dorothy Lane between Sudbury and Woodman. A Kroger's was in the next shopping center over (Same area as Rikes.) I think that Kroger is now on the other side of the street in what used to be part of Delco Park?

Remember Cubs? I remember there were always people picketing outside the stores...I believe wanting to unionize?

Also...on Dorothy Lane and Sudbury...Lawsons? Tiny little store like the gas station stores today, except there was no gas station.
4 posts
Jul 08, 2014
6:20 PM
There was a Liberals in Miamisburg on S. Main between what is now the Citgo and Dairy Queen. It closed sometime during the late 80's or early 90's. Someone bought it and ran a grocery for a few years. You can still see the building on Google street view. It looks the same as when it was still a Liberals.
80 posts
Jul 10, 2014
5:14 PM
I'm sorry but I know absolutely nothing about Liberal stores as we were a Kroger family.
I honestly believe that I never set foot in a Liberal store in my entire life.
Rather silly, right?
9 posts
Jul 11, 2014
7:29 PM
There was also a Liberals in the Westown Shopping Center , and the Hills and Dales shopping center, and I do believe Downtown on third Street (right next to the Arcade. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
2 posts
Jul 13, 2014
4:31 PM
There also was a Liberals store on Salem Ave near the intersection with Grand Ave. I remember my mom shopping there and Stumps on Salem near Philadelphia or Siebenthaler.
24 posts
Jul 14, 2014
10:58 PM
the liberal store on linden is just up from Dayton Baptist temple or used to be
25 posts
Jul 14, 2014
11:03 PM
this may be urban legend but the liberal near our house on north main street burned down the night I was born july 1958 they built it back ofcourse I was in and out of there alot
Peggy Gilbert
22 posts
Jul 26, 2014
8:08 PM
In the 50s there was a Liberal Mkt. on E Third St. between Van Lear and Bell St. By 61 it was a Cassanos Pizza. Now its a Health Clinic. There also used to be one in Airway Shopping Center.
185 posts
Aug 05, 2014
11:59 AM
My father owned a building that a Liberal Markets store once occupied during the late 40s or early 50s. Since I was born in 1950, I remember little else. I believe the store was located on N. Main Street in Dayton in or near the Riverdale area.
5 posts
Sep 12, 2014
4:08 PM
I remember two Liberal markets. Both were on Troy Street in North Dayton. The old one near Valley Street, was torn down to make way for the freeway. A new one was built across from the North Dayton Branch Library on Troy Street, across from the bakery.
230 posts
Sep 12, 2014
7:34 PM
Billd1952, I don't know whether or not it later became
a Stump's.
41 posts
Nov 06, 2014
6:49 PM
Liberal Market in Bridenstratter Shopping Center (spelling ?) at the corner of Patterson Road and Wilmington Pike in Belmont.
247 posts
Nov 08, 2014
7:24 AM
I remember the Liberal’s on Salem close to Grand. I lived right behind it at 319 Central AVe.(That’s another story in itself); within walking distance. I remember shopping there and one of the checkout cashiers(a very nice lady); I saw her a couple of times a little kid was buying a candy bar and was short a few pennies, she would add a few pennies from her penny jar so he could buy it. I always thought that was very nice. Often wondered what ever happened to her…….
2 posts
Jan 25, 2015
7:06 PM
I worked as a cashier for Liberal Market (Hills & Dales Shopping Center - Kettering ) from 1969 till it close in early 80's . It was a good store to work for. Someone asked earlier why they closed. The owners warned us not to go out on strike. They paid us good, same as Krogers. I worked part time all those years and I made over $10 per hour the best of insurance and double time if we worked Sundays and holidays, triple if holiday fell on a Sunday. I was against the strike, but we cashed alot of checks from GM. Lorraine and Delco Products. ( I think my co-workers wanted to be paid the same as GM) Even our Union Leaders (UFCW 1552. Kenny Mitchell was president ) encouraged us to settle but the final vote....we went on strike and Liberal owners ( the Schear Brothers ) did what they said they would do...They closed the doors to all 40 plus stores.
507 posts
Jan 26, 2015
8:26 AM
Welcome to Dayton History. The big problem Liberal Markets had was completion from Krogers. Kroger is tough to go up against. Look at all the grocery stores that have closed in Dayton. The rest are on thin ice.
However, COSTCO will give Kroger a run for their money. Did you know Hyman Schear? We used to sell meat to Liberal. They were hard to sell to.
luv my dayton
823 posts
Jan 26, 2015
8:40 AM
Roge: the Save A lot you speak of became a Dollar General in2014. Many of the discounts stores that have opened up with various names are going gangbusters in Dayton. We also have Dollar Trees and for those not familiar with them every item is just that. You can do really well there on just about anything.
4 posts
Jan 27, 2015
1:06 AM
I remember two Liberal markets. One was at the corner of Wilmington and Patterson. My mom used to shop there when I was 3-4. We lived at Van Buren apartments at the time. This was '66 or '67.

The other was in Washington Square shopping center at Far Hills and Whipp. I worked at the Shell station on the corner of this intersection. I think was '78 or '79. I remember this because one of the guys I worked with at Shell and I would go back to the beer coolers in the supermarket and replace the green 6% caps on bottles of Miller with red 3.2% caps so that we could buy beer (you could buy 3.2% at age 16 at the time; had to 18 to buy 6%--we were 17 and 16 respectively). lol
15 posts
Jan 27, 2015
5:29 AM
I'm frantically trying to recall the Liberal in Washington Square. I know there was an A&P (where DLM is now), across Whipp was Phil & Jerry's which I think was long gone by that time. Did A&P transition into Liberal before Dorothy Lane Market took over the spot?
luv my dayton
826 posts
Jan 27, 2015
7:26 AM
I'm not sure there was a liberal on Whipp as there was a big Phil and Jerry Foodarama that had a great business going there and we used to shop there. The Patterson rd and Wilmington pk.was located in Brienstraters shopping plaza and became a Stumps.It later became a Woolworth or WT Grant. There also was a liberal in the Van Buren shopping center at Forrer Blvd and Smithville Rd. That area is now newly built homes and behind the post office. The front side of that plaza is still there and has a fitness center,Subway and several other fast food places and a large laundromat.There was a Beerman store also and it is gone / where a Family Dollar or Dollar General now being built. Loved being able to stop on way home from work and grab something for supper or buy a last min.gift at Beermans.

Last Edited by luv my dayton on Jan 27, 2015 7:34 AM
318 posts
Jan 27, 2015
11:40 AM
LMD-surprised that you forgot the Liberal across Far hills behind The cheeseman.It became a Duffs cafeteria i think and now is part of shopping center.
luv my dayton
828 posts
Jan 27, 2015
3:25 PM
Lost my post earlier.was about five when I moved into Kettering and only remember the cafeteria. Do remember Cheeseman,Baumers and a styling salon. Of course olds our all time fun place Bolsers.
127 posts
Jan 27, 2015
8:39 PM
Cant say that I ever knew of a Liberal store being at Van Buren shopping center but I do know that their were two Krogers stores located there. First was in the middle of the center before you got to the Woolworths store and the newer updated Krogers was at the end of the center when they added onto it, going towards the post office.
5 posts
Jan 29, 2015
2:41 AM
@ luv my dayton

In regards to the supermarket at Far Hills and Whipp in Washington Square, what colors were the logo of the Foodarama? I could be wrong about this store being a Liberal market as this was back in '78. Heck, I was 16 at the time...more interested in girls and beer, if you know what I mean...
luv my dayton
830 posts
Jan 29, 2015
6:51 AM
Strayrider, not familiar with Washington Square at that time but mom would shop at Phil and Jerry's also on Whipp but not in Washington Square. Freedom, theres something familiar about the AP grocery. If there's anyone on here who lived in Centerville was there at one time a theatre in Washington Square? Hey Olds88 this thread should be right up your alley.

Last Edited by luv my dayton on Jan 29, 2015 7:58 AM
1 post
Jan 29, 2015
8:31 AM
Gee, it appears that no one remembered the Liberal Market on Xenia Avenue next to the Federation Theater
in the shadow of St. Mary's twin towers..
319 posts
Jan 29, 2015
11:46 AM
LMD-yes there was a A&P where DLM is now.It was only there a short time and I believe Phil and Jerrys closed about the same time.DLM came in and opened in ap location.Been almost 30 years.Myers family closed Phil and Jerrys and opened up a small meat shop in Oakwood on Park ave for a short time.Movie was in sw corner of Washington Square.South of stroop rd.Phil&Jerrys had alock on the grocery business which is why DLM MOVED TO AREA WHEN THEY DID.
273 posts
Jan 29, 2015
12:11 PM
Chet, I remember the Liberal on Xenia Ave.. Also the one on Linden Ave., and Airway Shopping Center.
510 posts
Jan 29, 2015
12:40 PM
Your parents had meat shop. Ask them if they knew John Bates? He was the head meat buyer for Eavey's Super Value.
320 posts
Jan 29, 2015
1:36 PM
joey m
317 posts
Feb 02, 2015
10:45 AM
olds88 Small world again I was friends with tom Meyer and his son who played basketball at UD. They were customers of mine at Angelinas Pizza.
178 posts
Feb 03, 2015
1:12 PM
We had one in our neighborhood on Salem Ave in Ft. McKinley. My in-laws shopped there because it was on their way home from work. My parents would not go in there because they said it was dirty.
266 posts
Feb 04, 2015
12:17 AM
Nile - I'm not trying to change the subject, but since you mentioned living in Fort McKinley...

I have been trying for some time to find out why Fort McKinley was so named, since I don't believe there was ever a fort (or camp) in that location. There is an article posted on this website - "Salem and Riverview Pikes", written by Charles F. Sullivan in 1943 - which credits the naming of the area in 1905 to Marcellus S. Benn when he initially platted the land, but no indication of why he chose the name. This was a few years after the assassination of President McKinley, so possibly that factored in, but why the addition of "Fort" to the name?

Since you lived there, I was hoping maybe you (or anyone else) could help answer my question?

Last Edited by KennyE11 on Feb 04, 2015 12:18 AM
179 posts
Feb 04, 2015
10:13 PM
I have no idea why it was Fort. I lived very close to Fort McKinley. There must be a historical society there. Maybe the library there has a local book on the subject. Incidentally, I was in that Liberal store and I never found it to be dirty. Maybe a bit old and behind the times but not dirty. My parents had some strange ideas sometimes and had some odd ideas. Maybe it's just something they heard at one time. I always thought Liberal had good steaks.
6 posts
Feb 06, 2015
2:21 AM
Yeah, there was a cinema at Washington Square. I think that was where I saw Kagemusha (1980), Time Bandits (1981), and Red Dawn (1984). Still not sure about the Liberal Market though.
miles away
1 post
Feb 12, 2015
9:30 AM
Hey strayrider: you worked at O'Rourke's Shell station at Whipp and 48 in the late '70's? I and some friends of mine worked at his brother's Shell station that used to stand at Wilmington and Alex Bell (long gone.) I bet we know each other. We all did more than switch the 3.2 caps off the beer bottles while pumping Super Shell (at 64.9 cents per gallon.) Here, I've been layin' low for 35 years and you have to bring up the gas station days!
526 posts
Feb 12, 2015
3:32 PM
miles away
Welcome to Dayton History!
miles away
2 posts
Feb 13, 2015
11:52 AM
OK, we were talking about Liberal's, not Shell stations. Doesn't anyone remember that the Dayton Mall first opened with a big Liberal's out front? With a ridiculously-long hallway full of the baskarts connecting the front entrance of the Mall to the front of Liberal's from the inside?
And what about the big one they built in the late '60's in the triangle between Wilmington and Woodman, facing Stroop? I think that briefly became a Frank's Nursery and Crafts after Liberal bailed.
My mom's favorite Liberal was the one at the corner of Siebenthaler and Salem Avenue, back when Miracle Lane and all the hotspots on Salem were destinations. We always stopped at that store when leaving the city to go home to Trotwood (being a west-sider, dad would always take Western Avenue home from downtown -- my favored route, too -- instead of Salem, but that's another story.)
And I well remember the Liberal on the east side of Salem between Grand and Superior as my cousin and I would play around the registers on the front end before closing while waiting for my uncle to get off work bagging groceries -- his part time job while going to UD to be a chemist with NCR in the early '60's. I think the building is still there, but it looks so small; maybe that's the old A&P?
And yes there was an A&P in the shopping center at Whipp & 48 (behind the Shell station! and Frisch's), across from Phil & Jerry's Foodarama (they don't name 'em like that anymore) on Whipp. Didn't this become the Dorothy Lane Market building there, or was that the fate of the old PK? And yeah, PK; who needs Home depot?
luv my dayton
860 posts
Feb 13, 2015
1:55 PM
Miles it was a Liberal then Stumps then Franks and now a big Ace hardware.Once Meijer opened no grocery in the area survived. All's were left with are memories!!

Last Edited by luv my dayton on Feb 13, 2015 1:57 PM
269 posts
Feb 14, 2015
12:22 AM
Miles - If you lived in Trotwood in the 60's, do you remember the Liberal Market in the Salem Mall? It was in the wing that was eventually remodeled into the JC Penney wing.

I suppose if you traveled Western Avenue rather than Salem, the Salem Mall was out of the way for you.
345 posts
Feb 14, 2015
10:18 PM
lmd--Dots survived, still open in Bellbrook and Kettering. I lived in Bellbrook in the late 80s when Cub Foods opened on Wilmington, most people figured Dots would go under. Here we are 25 years later, Dots is still there and Cub is gone.
luv my dayton
863 posts
Feb 15, 2015
5:33 AM
Calhoun can't believe I missed that one as go both places myself.Love that place as meats and deli are great. Even gave gift cards for there this Christmas. Did you know they deliver now? Guess you place order by phone or computer.Do miss Cubs as they had a chicken salad that was wonderful.

Last Edited by luv my dayton on Feb 15, 2015 5:35 AM

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