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tlturbo 320 posts May 25, 2012 6:58 AM	I remember the Grange Hall R/R tressel. Also the liight on 35 where Belbrook Fairfield crossed it. Just behind it was a S curve and a bridge over the river just behind Beaver Bowl. This whole area is gone now and the area called Research Park or something. I will be in Dayton tomorrow from FL for a few days. Hope to do some sightseeing but depends on plans others have made for us. ---------- 87 Buick GN
medvet84 20 posts Aug 09, 2012 8:41 PM	Hey all, what about Pats Place on Linden at the intersection of St Charles? Pat (the cook) had the greatest Hambergers that a kid could want; just walk back to the kitchen, order and pay the bartender the dime on the way out and all dressed up too. Never did know who Pat was, doubt that he was the cook though. Was recently back to Dayton after quarter century retired in Ga and was surprised , there it was loking a little lonely with an open sign on the door. Abut another matter I need a little help with; You know where Wyoming street ends (or did?) About 1/2 block past Welmier? Any way I was looking on my 1996 Dayton street map now opened on past there into Belmont. True or not true? I have been in that neighborhood since the map date and swear it was still the same as it had been since the concrete cured in 1922. Thanks
oldrndirt 27 posts Aug 10, 2012 3:45 AM	medved, I grew up on Wellmeier. I wish I could say I remembered Pat's Place, but that one eludes me. I must have ridden my bike and driven my car past its location thousands of times - Linden to St. Charles was my primary route home from just about anywhere, but it's not ringing any bells. Wyoming still ends at the top of Wellmeier, but they did build an apartment complex just to the east of the old Cleveland School (taking up part of the old Cleveland Woods, but not all of it) and it connects with Wyoming, but doesn't have an outlet. Cleveland School itself was razed and rebuilt.
hunt69 376 posts Aug 10, 2012 7:26 AM	I was in Dayton Wednesday 8/8/12. I drove around and went by Forrest Park.I used to visit the "She" in my early 20's.I was sickened by the sight of an abandoned bldg.I drove on Needmore rd and saw Delco was no more.Anywho,I'm happy I grew up when I did. It's getting to where there are fewer and fewer recognizable structual/material reasons for visiting. I even visited areas around Chambersburg Rd,Kitridge Rd and other areas I used to hunt.It was a sad eye opener. Last Edited by on Aug 10, 2012 7:30 AM
Bowfoot 51 posts Aug 13, 2012 2:13 PM	Is there still a Dayton , Ohio ?
medvet84 23 posts Aug 15, 2012 2:41 PM	Hey dirt, I have a recent (2011) pix of Pats Place if I knew where to send it, I'd send it to you, any kind of mail but, my INSP is dial-up and you know what a pain it is with attachments. My kid brother, only 82, took it while visiting last yr. Stark white and isolated, more or less. If you were at the intersection of Coventry & Linden, you would have to look almost NNE across the street. I believe there used to be an alley to it's immediate west. Don't think so now.Yes, I too know the area well, carried papers, morning and evening, 3 cents mostly, DDN paid 1 cent, Herald 1 cent, Journal 1 and 1/4 each . What was your # on Welmier, bet it wasn't in the 900 block cause when we went to Cleveland and mostly followed the sidewalks to get there, the 900 block was where we wore a wide path from the NE corner up to the guarded Wyoming St crossing where the east Purcell St sidewalk met the Wyoming, except, on rainy days to keep out of the mud, took the long way around on the sidewalks, Ms Martin didn't like muddy boots and shoes in her cloak room. I went to Cleveland from '32 to '37, Lincoln, '38 to '40 and WW '41 and '42, dropped out in grad yr to help family and was taking basic Army training when my class of '43 graduated. Many years later 2005 the Dayton Board of Education awarded me an Honorary HS Diploma from Belmont HS. I had to choose among Dayton HSs at the time because WW had not been one since about 1982, I'm told. But, I'm still solid RED and BLACK, class of '43. Bout out of 'characters' I believe. Hope this finds you and maybe some others from my generation intersted in trading memories. Last Edited by on Aug 15, 2012 2:44 PM
oldrndirt 28 posts Aug 15, 2012 7:29 PM	Thanks Medvet. Don't worry about the photo on the slow line - I get back to the old neighborhood once or twice a year just for a drive-by and I'll make sure to look the intersection over really well - see if it jogs my memory. I know I used to walk with dad up to a bar near Lorain and Linden at the top of Wilfred where he'd get his glass gallon jug filled with draft beer about once a week. Pat's would have been about the same distance. I grew up in the 800 block between Deanwood (was Demphle before Highland Park divided the street) and St. Charles. I went to Kindergarten in the Cleveland expansion building on the south side and then 8 years at St. Anthony and 4 at Patterson Coop ('73). I'm a bit behind you - dad was '37 at Bath in Fairborn and mom was Patterson '40, I believe. My sister was Patterson '65. I had friends from the five to ten blocks surrounding that area that went to WW, Belmont, Patterson, Chaminade, Julienne, St. Joseph and Carroll - it was an interesting part of Dayton to be sure. The St Anthony class still gets together from time to time - not many elementary schools where the students dispersed to that many different high schools have that kind of bond, I imagine. Thanks for the info and I hope all is well and stays well with you!
vegasbluedevil 12 posts Aug 25, 2012 11:41 PM	@ Squirrel: I graduated from Vandalia-Butler in 1994 with the "little girl on the KAP signs mural". Jenny Keys was her name, and I guess her family must have owned it. They have/had a huge house on Dog Leg Road just South of Little York. I just remember the air conditioner that was on the cat's stomach, LOL. An actual air conditioner of course that stuck out from the side of the building that they had to paint to try and match, LOL......
Happy to Be 15 posts Oct 05, 2012 6:37 PM	I have no idea what this building was called, but I recall getting my hair cut as a kid in a hugh Gothic looking building downtown. It was beautiful and ugly at the same time (from the eyes of a child). It was somewhat near Memorial Hall, just south of there somewhere. Maybe across from the Y. I'm certain it is probably long gone now, but for some reason, that building was interesting to me.
olds88 36 posts Feb 01, 2013 7:43 PM	Dayton was a beautiful city not too many years ago.It almost brings tears to ones eyes to drive through it now.If it was not for the residents of montgomery co. chipping in their tax money through park levies,fifth third field,sinclairand Rta, the scrappers would have hauled off what was left.The people on this site are very aware of what Dayton was and the results of failed social experiments.
dcreep 23 posts Apr 10, 2014 7:36 AM	Disappearing Dayton landmarks? How about Wright Field when aircraft actually used the runways there? Someone mentioned the Antler Hotel near Union Station. Betty, Bill, Bruce, or Diane? Are you reading this? I think that we are all talking about the 'good old days', and I thank all of you for your input.
mikedaley 5 posts Apr 15, 2014 7:39 PM	I remember Roosevelt High School on West Third St. The "bad" part of Dayton back in the 60's. My mom was the asst secretary there and stayed until '69. I remember she was loved by all the black girls and they cried and begged her to stay. But she quit to moved out of state. I remember Meadowdale elementary school where I went from '59 thru '65. Great school, great memories, great teachers…I was very saddened to see it was torn down. MHS was also torn down - now it's a big field and parking lot. The whole neighborhood has gone to the dogs. When we lived there it was brand new. New homes, new school, it was the best. Unfortunately it didn't last. I was there last year and I started crying when I saw the old neighborhood. My old house doesn't look anything like it was when we lived in it. My dad bought it new for $10,000. I loved it there growing up. My girlfriend at the time was Robin Hergenrather - sure would like to connect with her. I also remember Rike's downtown, Hara Arena (where I used to ice skate), Price's candies (thank God they are still around). The Big Boy and Parkmoor are gone from the corner of Main and Nottingham as is Forest Park Plaza. I used to play mini golf there during summer vacation. Peffley Ford was there too. My dad worked there a short time. I developed car fever there. I so wanted a '69 Thunderbird and a Boss 429 in the worst way - but I was too young to drive. Cars were affordable then. No more. I also remember a TV show in the late 60's called Kims Kartoon Kapers - on WKEF channel 22. I have often wondered what because of Kim. Like me she was just a kid at the time.
Dee 7 posts Apr 17, 2014 12:45 PM	The old building at Turner and Wolf was going to be a members only store that never got off the ground. I ws working at Dayton Tire and Rubber and was asked on invest in the store but thankfully did not. A precuser to Sam's and the like.
Ron J 1 post Jul 26, 2014 5:37 PM	How cool to remember all those places. Takes me back to the days when my Mom, Violet (Jordan, Patrick) Muncy played all those clubs as a solo act or in a band. She and/or her band Freeway played both Imperial Houses, North and South. She played The Holiday Inn in Springfield, and Englewood, also the Dry Dock in Town and Country shopping center and The All American Lounge. She played solo acts at The Tropics, Tudys, Annarinos, Suttmillers, Tall Timbers, and The Hillside Tavern. She played in a band at The Cystal Pistol in Fairborn for years. She played on stage with The Osbourne Brothers and Alabama. It's neat to see these area historic sites are still remembered. That was back in the days when you went to a club for your live music, not your ipad or iPod!
Billd1952 239 posts Jul 28, 2014 7:39 PM	Dee, that building at Turner and Wolf was actually a Pyrimid Scheme, and a lot of folks fell for it and lost a lot of money. The contractors who started construction on the building lost money too. Last Edited by Billd1952 on Jul 29, 2014 11:08 AM
blue J 147 posts Sep 24, 2014 1:50 PM	I was downtown on a weekday afternoon one day a couple of weeks ago, and I had wanted for awhile to have a day when I could go and take a bunch of pictures of all of the old buildings I can that are still standing downtown. I wanted to do this in order to have them for my own keeping, but I'm also going to be sharing them with a friend in Florida who also has an appreciation for this kind of thing. I didn't get to nearly everything that I wanted to, but in a matter of about 40 minutes or so, I ran around everywhere that I could- all the way down First Street from Ludlow over to Patterson, back to Main Street and up to Fourth, and then over to Ludlow and back north again, between First and Monument. I got photos of the Dayton Women's Club, the Victoria, the Biltmore, the Clegg home (or is it now called the Brooks home, at 41 E. First Street- I took a photo of that one because it is one of the oldest original buildings in Dayton that is still standing, structurally unchanged- since 1823), Memorial Hall, Winters Tower (or I guess I should call it Kettering Tower now), the old Courthouse, the Conover Building, the Kuhns Building, the Arcade, St. John's Lutheran Church (which in on the site of what used to be the Colonial Theater, where my grandmother led the Colonialettes dance troupe, back in the mid-1930s), the original Dayton Daily News building, City Hall...like I said, all within about 40 minutes or so, I covered about fifteen city blocks and got all these pictures. And broke a pretty good sweat, hahaha... I also thought about all of the other landmarks of old that are no more, that were all within that same ground that I covered (and there was still so much ground that I didn't get to cover, in the short amount of time that I had!). It is my hope that the encroachment upon and destruction of the landmarks we still have will come to an end. I may just be an optimist, but it seems to have slowed quite a bit in very recent years.
Photostve 6 posts Sep 27, 2014 5:55 AM	RnRDoc57, I was at UD when you guys opened Second Time Around. That store did have a lot of character;full bins, narrow aisles, creaky floorboards and walls covered in posters. I was disappointed too when it expanded and adopted the cookie cutter decor but you have to admit, the original store didn't have room for CDs, DVDs, Games and used electronics.
historybuff 230 posts Sep 27, 2014 6:40 AM	Just spent the last hour rereading this thread which is quite interesting. Unless I missed it, I didn’t see a couple of downtown memorabilia if memory still serves; The King Cole Restaurant in the Kettering Tower, The Pewter Restaurant downtown, one of the original Hauer Music Stores on North Main, The Dayton Scene Bar, also in the Kettering Tower. I did see mentioned in this thread a couple of years ago, “The Mayfair Theatre” which was on Fifth Street where the Dayton Convention Center is located now. A throwback to Old-Time Vaudeville shows. Anyone remember any of those ?. Not necessarily noteworthy landmarks, but interesting in their own ways….
historybuff 231 posts Sep 27, 2014 6:48 AM	I just remembered a thought concerning 2nd Time Around on Brown Street. I eat breakfast and lunch at the Butter Restaurant across the street, often. Watching the continual stream of characters going into and out of 2nd Time around is sometimes quite entertaining….LOL…Doesn’t take as much to be entertained for some of us now…:-) Last Edited by historybuff on Sep 27, 2014 6:49 AM
blue J 150 posts Sep 27, 2014 6:54 AM	historybuff- ah, the Mayfair! I believe I called it the Majestic, in another thread here recently. Anyway...yes, I look at the whole Convention Center complex now, and think about all of the things that used to be there (and which were all, unfortunately, before my time). I remember when the King Cole was inside the Kettering Tower; I don't remember when it closed, exactly. BUT- it's also worth noting that the original King Cole was on Ludlow Street, just south of Second Street. There was a restaurant in the same space that pre-dated it, called The Seville- which was also owned by the King Cole's owner, Max Comisar. The Seville was moved to the upstairs of the same building, and the King Cole opened in the ground-level space, in 1953. I may have a matchbook or some napkins or something, from the original King Cole. I'll have to look.
missinthen 19 posts Sep 28, 2014 4:45 PM	Bill68, loved your story.. and I totally agree with you about the Tate murders being a transition date ( much like Kennedy's assassination being a transition date as well (there is an interesting book titled The Fourth Turning by Howe & Strauss's that theorizes the different turnings of history ) Although I wasn't born until 1955, I remember much of what you've mentioned here... I wouldn't trade being a part of the boomers generation for anything in the world. Nothing's perfect, and never will be, of course, but I'd go back to that time in a heartbeat
historybuff 232 posts Sep 29, 2014 7:25 AM	A couple of other Dayton Restaurants I don’t think have been mentioned were “Guenther’s Linden House Restaurant”, near the corner of Linden and S. Smithville. Has a special meaning for me as it was the location of our first date with my wife of 40 years. Another restaurant downtown which we frequented often was “Kitty’s” in the Citizen’s Federal Building operated by Kitty and her husband Dan Sachs. After they retired to Florida, it became “Thomato’s” operated by Bill Thomas, former manager of Kitty’s. It has been empty for years and I’m amazed it hasn’t been reopened. It’s an excellent location with basement parking, across the street from the Schuster Center and two doors down from the Victoria Theatre. The last pleasant memory I have of downtown establishments was “Charlie’s Raw Bar”, on the first floor, and “Charlie’s Restaurant” , on the second floor, in the Arcade. It was always enjoyable to have dinner on the second floor balcony of Charlie’s and watch the crowds flowing through the Arcade on the first floor. Christmas Season always found the Arcade beautifully decorated with always choral groups singing Christmas Carols on the first floor. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if that is something which we still have, if it could be recreated?
blue J 151 posts Sep 29, 2014 9:08 AM	Yes, it would be. We just need a wealthy benefactor to come along and bring the Arcade to life again. I could be mistaken, but I think the back taxes that are owed on it are somewhere north of $250,000. And the last thing I read about it said that the renovation required on it to make it suitable for tenant businesses to start occupying it is somewhere around $30 million. But I don't want to just be mired in sadness about all of that, or to cast a current-day pall over the wonderful memories that the whole space holds. I think I went to Thomato's in maybe the late 1990s. Is that possible? Or has it been empty for longer than that. (I was in my mid-twenties then, and had virtually no sense of Dayton history at that time, compared to the present day).
joey m 251 posts Sep 29, 2014 10:06 AM	I'm sorry to say but downtown Dayton will never be back. I cant see an investor willing to risk any money in the downtown area. The criminal element is to high, too many young trouble makers who ruin it for the decent adults. Look at the county fair and recently they had a problem with a function at the square. Anybody remember "THE AFFAIRS IN THE SQUARE" in the 70's & 80's. they were great!
historybuff 233 posts Sep 29, 2014 2:43 PM	Believe it or not, Downtown Dayton is alive, well and humming with things to do. As I have mentioned before in this thread, I have lived within a few blocks of the center of town since moving here in 1971. West, East, the Center and now back West. Have never had any problems and probably eat out downtown 2 or three times a week. Favorite eating places are Salar, CoCo’s, Wheatpenny, the Citilites, Sphaghetti Warehouse, Delish and Pizzeria Uno’s. In addition it’s nice being within walking distance of the Schuster Center, Dragons Stadium, the Victoria Theatre, beautiful Riverscape Park Carillon Park, and the Dayton Art Institute which this past weekend hosted it’s annual Octoberfest attended by thousands. Sinclair College and UD have many, many different cultural events and classes available for taking. So it must be apparent that I am quite a fan of the City of Dayton, but like any Urban environment, it will have it’s pros and cons, but one either appreciates urban living or not, but in my opinion Dayton rates pretty high. As far as investment in downtown is concerned. Ask Charlie Simms, the contractor; in the past few years, he’s built hundreds of townhouses, condominiums and apartments in downtown and they probably have a 90% occupancy rate. For those who no longer live in Dayton, there is a great site with current news of Dayton events at “CharlieC@Greatdayton.com”. So, that’s it for my Dayton commercial today. Last Edited by historybuff on Sep 29, 2014 2:46 PM
Karline27 16 posts Sep 30, 2014 10:17 AM	I miss the cool party supply place that was on Brown Street. It's now a Hot Head Burritos. I also dearly miss the Salem Mall - that was such a cool mall. I remember loving the fountains and the tunnel in the food court. We always would get family pictures at the Sears and get nonpareils from the candy shop on the way out. I'm sad it's gone!

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