RIVERDALE RAT
466 posts
Aug 18, 2010
3:41 PM
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Roge
I remember that a llittle bit. Did they have faded Yellow Cab's,? or I may be confusing them with Fairborn Taxi.
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roge
59 posts
Aug 19, 2010
1:02 PM
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Hey Riverdale Rat .how are you? Bee Line cab drove old police crusiers,old Plymouths and the like,they had different colors,blue that I seen mostly back then,by the way I enjoy your messages on this this site,you have certainly brought back many memories
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RIVERDALE RAT
476 posts
Aug 20, 2010
8:22 PM
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roge
I'm hanging in there, thanks for asking. Thats what I suspected, I had them confused with the old Fairborn Yellow. Seems like I recall a Oakwood Cab Co. (a legal one) operating with black cabs, or maybe that was the old Police cars? It's been too many decades ago.
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Mikey
104 posts
Aug 21, 2010
10:04 AM
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...as recently as the very late fifties or early sixties, Moler's kept milk cows (probably not all of them) in a large lot north of the Smithville Road store.
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Mikey, Gatlinburg, TN
Last Edited by on Aug 21, 2010 10:05 AM
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Hankster65
40 posts
Aug 21, 2010
11:18 AM
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pie8me wrote "The old White Tower on South Main and Patterson is now back open as the Brunch Club. They serve "Butterburgers" but I've not tried one so I don't know if they're the same."
Feeling a great sense of duty to the members of this board, I took it upon myself to sacrifice an hour out of my day and actually go to the Brunch Club and do the very important research of eating one of their Butter Burgers.
The results of my research: Although they advertise their Butter Burger as being 1/3 of a pound it actually seemed bigger than what other restaurants call 1/2 pound burgers. It was ginormous. Came with lettuce, onion, and buns grilled in butter. Totally delicious. However, not as buttery as I seem to remember from the White Tower days. That could just be a fluke of my memory. The platter I ordered came with fries (thick crinkle cut fries with just the right amount of crunch) and creamy cole slaw for $6.95. Plus 60 cents for cheese.
The place was packed at noon on a Saturday. That's highly unusual for what is more or less a downtown Dayton restaurant.
BTW, if anyone needs any further research on this or something similar, I'll once again sacrifice for the good of the forum. Please let me know...preferably before lunchtime tomorrow.
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Hankster65
41 posts
Aug 21, 2010
11:30 AM
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According to my 1962 city directory, the Cliff Cab Co. was located at 228 S Ludlow. That location now appears to be a vacant lot. Also, Bimini Bill's (212 S Ludlow) is now the A List Lounge. I don't know who owns it. Nothing stays the same. (Although, the Century Bar on Jefferson St is making a good stab at it.)
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Hankster65
42 posts
Aug 21, 2010
11:32 AM
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Rat, the BHA bldg is still there. I was by it just today.
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RIVERDALE RAT
481 posts
Aug 24, 2010
3:11 PM
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Must have missed it on Google, that's good to hear. is the old White Tower still a restaurant?
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Hankster65
48 posts
Aug 24, 2010
4:33 PM
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The White Tower on 3rd st is now a (I think) Thai food restaurant, the one on 5th is a BBQ joint, the one on south main is called The Brunch Club and pays homage to its predecessor with a darn fine butter burger.
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RIVERDALE RAT
504 posts
Aug 25, 2010
5:22 PM
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Hankster65
Thanks, it's good to know that the world famous butterburger still lives on, at least in some form.
What year did the White Towers close down, does anybody remember?
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RIVERDALE RAT
544 posts
Sep 04, 2010
10:29 AM
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Hankster65:
If you still feel dedicated enough to do some research, perhaps you could taste test the Hasty Tasty Chicken that newsnot keeps talking about, I dont think he has ever made it out that way. from what I understand, it's on Linden Ave.
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Bill68
105 posts
Nov 08, 2011
3:42 PM
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Pie8me - Have you tried the Brunch Club Butterburgers yet? If they're the same, I'll drive up from Georgetown, KY immediately and buy 50 of them.
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Bill68
106 posts
Nov 08, 2011
3:45 PM
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I went to Northridge in the 1950s. Their idea of a "field trip" was going to Borden's Dairy on Patterson 3 years in a row. I couldn't eat cottage cheese for many years.
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Perry401
81 posts
Nov 08, 2011
9:47 PM
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Moler's was on Smithville and advertised "the dairy with the cows". They had a large area behind the store where the cows grazed, and which was changed into a subsidised housing complex by Kettering in the later 1970's or early 1980's. The streets to the South of Patterson Road in this area stop at the old Moler's Dairy farm and were never connected to streets in the new housing plat.
Schools took field trips to Moler's and the kids got a brass plated steel "cow bell", about an inch and a half tall.
Another dairy was located to the west side of Wilmington across from the WHIO studios. This was between what was then the A & P (now the Handyman) and the bowling alley. It was called the Shoemake dairy if I remember right. There used to be a dirt path from the A & P parking lot, trough the "back yard" of the dairy, and across a couple of vacant lots in the Patterson Park area that let people in Patterson Park go to the store without going out on Patterson or Wilmington. The vacant lots were finally used for housing around 1960. The land where the dairy was located was later used for a Friendly's restaurant and a Long John Silver's fish restaurant. These buildings have both been re-purposed over the years. This dairy apparently used milk brought in from farms in the area and did not have any cows themselves.
Last Edited by on Nov 08, 2011 9:49 PM
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Jack S.
9 posts
Nov 09, 2011
3:53 PM
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Well, Speaking of Ice Cream, Remember, The Red Wing Ice Cream company. Bout 700 block S Main, I lived next door to Red Wing. I remenber Cliff Cabs and the Ewalt Circle Bus Line. Mahargs Ice Cream, 800 block of South main, Still have a scar on my leg where a bus hit me
Last Edited by on Nov 12, 2011 9:32 AM
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mem
103 posts
Nov 09, 2011
5:56 PM
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Steve K - On a list of old Northridge businesses is a White Tower which was located at 2226 Needmore Road. No picture was available.
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cliffm
1 post
Dec 31, 2012
2:55 AM
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I have ended up with a Cliff Cab light off the top of one of the cabs. It is white with a green "CLIFF" on it. I understand the company was sold in 1991. I wonder if anyone has any photos of a cab, the cab station or can point me in the direction of some?
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tuckerone
32 posts
Dec 31, 2012
2:53 PM
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Anyone who worked at cliff cab checker cab or yellow cab back in the 50's and early 60's anyone remember Raymond Drayer ?
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Cross
13 posts
Dec 31, 2012
10:25 PM
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There is a building on the east side of Smithville south of Patterson Rd that is a UPS Store or was, that is the old Moler's Dairy Building where they sold mild and ice cream.
The diary property was what is Van Buren Apts and shopping center.
I remember the Cow to but not the location. That is where the local old time neighbors disagree. Some say the cow stood in front of building and others say the property went all the way to south of the Blockbusters building claiming that it stood on a piece of concrete on east side at Smithville & Wilmington.
32 years ago the huge piece of concrete was there and I saw it but now it is gone. My 1928 map shows the property open to the concrete site. Maybe it was moved when they sold the property to in front of the building. This I do not know.
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copson
5 posts
Jan 20, 2013
10:55 AM
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riverdale rat, I sent you an email, also we purchased cliff cab in the early 90's .. they only had about six cabs at that time. compared to our 55 cab's.. we incorperated them into our business ( Dayton Yellow cab )..My father was personell director of yellow cab when he left the police department, and i worked for him..we eventually removed cliff cab from the dayton scene... also my mother and sister worked for parmoor and hasty tasty.. They worked at the parkmoor's on salem and superior, the third st side of the arcade, the one at forest park and the one on airway road.. best chicken in town man !!!!.......
Last Edited by on Jan 20, 2013 11:06 AM
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copson
7 posts
Jan 20, 2013
11:05 AM
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If anyone want's to know any history pertaining to the dayton police dept, or the cab co's here in the dayton area I could help.. The cab business is bust in the Dayton area.. There are many reasons for this..
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copson
8 posts
Jan 20, 2013
11:10 AM
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that's right, charlie stayner.. we purchased cliff cab in the early 90's.. they had six cabs.. we owned yellow cab.any question's about either cab company and how they were ran.. i will be glad to help...
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copson
9 posts
Jan 20, 2013
11:16 AM
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clif cab after they moved from s ludlow st, and dayton liberty cab was located on e fourth st behind the main post office, they eventually shared the same dispatch office
and building untill cliff cab was purchased by us.. we were located at 700 e 4th st.. at the corner of walnut st near the oregon district..we had 55 cab's. and and 123 cab driver's..
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copson
10 posts
Jan 20, 2013
11:20 AM
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Actually, The old yellow cab co. is no longer in business we sold that company in the late 1990's after almost 70 years of business.. the yellow cab co now isnt affiliated at all with the original yellow cab co.. that we all remember when we growing up.. It was a sad day when we sold....
Last Edited by on Jan 20, 2013 11:21 AM
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cliffm
2 posts
Feb 11, 2013
12:52 PM
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copson, thank you! Very happy to have some concise information about Cliff Cab. Only 6 cabs! By any chance do you have any photos?
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luv my dayton
232 posts
Feb 12, 2013
5:55 PM
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Believe the White Tower on S Main was the one I went to for middle of the night supper when working third shift at NCR.Would love to be able to get that good of a burger today.Also was a Frisches at the corner of Brown and Stewart where we would frequent depending on how long we had to get there and back. Forget the name of the bowling alley and bar right down from NCR but would head there sometimes after getting off work on Friday mornings. That area of Dayton has totally changed and has become the property of UD and Miami Valley Hospital. Who would have ever thought all the old would be torn down and new built up.
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olds88
78 posts
Feb 14, 2013
7:04 PM
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Luvmydayton- Bowling alley was varsity not sure about bar.Maybe Cashba or Blue Moon.Hard to believe at one time almost twenty thousand people worked in that area.Does any one remember that Bordens moved to Kettering on what is now David Rd?Shoemake dair did have their own cows out on Shakertown rd not far from Belmont drive in.
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olds88
79 posts
Feb 14, 2013
7:35 PM
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Made a mistake.National eas bowling alley had 24 lanes in front and 24 in the back.
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supersix
157 posts
Nov 21, 2013
9:58 AM
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Does anyone remember a White Tower between 1st and Monument on Main (229) in Dayton? I can only remember 3 locations: 3rd and Patterson, 5th and Patterson, and S. Main and Patterson.
An old phone book lists 6 total. Others listed that I don't recall were:
W. 1st at Ludlow,
W. 3rd and N. Wilkinson.
Were these 3 free-standing or spaces in larger buildings and carry-out only?
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Steve K
227 posts
Nov 21, 2013
12:49 PM
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I think the White Tower at 229 S. Main was in another building.... seems to me I was in their once in the mid 1970's....
I think I have photos of maybe five of them.... been a while since I've looked.
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olds88
177 posts
Nov 21, 2013
1:20 PM
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White Tower on north main was north of flying pizza , third and wilkenson was east of federal building I believe and maybe there was one in front of parking lot at first at Ludlow on the north east corner .This may help
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olds88
178 posts
Nov 21, 2013
1:20 PM
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White Tower on north main was north of flying pizza , third and wilkenson was east of federal building I believe and maybe there was one in front of parking lot at first at Ludlow on the north east corner .This may help
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olds88
179 posts
Nov 21, 2013
1:20 PM
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White Tower on north main was north of flying pizza , third and wilkenson was east of federal building I believe and maybe there was one in front of parking lot at first at Ludlow on the north east corner .This may help
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olds88
180 posts
Nov 21, 2013
1:20 PM
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White Tower on north main was north of flying pizza , third and wilkenson was east of federal building I believe and maybe there was one in front of parking lot at first at Ludlow on the north east corner .This may help
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olds88
181 posts
Nov 21, 2013
1:20 PM
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White Tower on north main was north of flying pizza , third and wilkenson was east of federal building I believe and maybe there was one in front of parking lot at first at Ludlow on the north east corner .This may help
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Billd1952
138 posts
Nov 21, 2013
1:47 PM
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The White tower on N. Main north of the Flying Pizza was relocated to N. Main and Great Miami Blvd., in the early 70s. The one on W.3rd and Wilkinson was replace by the Federal Court house, if I remember correctly. My sister worked at the White Tower at S. Main and Patterson. I also remember the Cliff Cab Co., on Ludlow St., across from the Lee Hotel.
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supersix
158 posts
Nov 21, 2013
2:38 PM
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When I think of White Tower, I can only see the 3 remaining free-standing buildings that still survive. I can't picture how these others looked.
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Steve K
228 posts
Nov 25, 2013
11:10 AM
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Here's a link to a photo of the White Tower across from the Van Cleve Hotel.... Think this is First & Ludlow?
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/o/o/Steven-D-Koons/PHOTO/0111photo.html
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supersix
159 posts
Nov 25, 2013
2:43 PM
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Neat picture! I sure don't remember that White Tower. I wonder if the others mentioned looked similar.
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Steve K
229 posts
Nov 26, 2013
7:44 AM
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Supersix.... the Van Cleve White Tower was more modern looking than most of the others.... and I think the one out on North Main was sandwiched (excuse the pun) between two other buildings and didn't really stand on it's own. I'll see if I can locate my photographs of four others....
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olds88
186 posts
Nov 27, 2013
12:47 PM
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The last few months I have seen trucks with BORDENS on the side.One was delivering to Starbucks.Have not seen that brand in a while.
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RIVERDALE RAT
562 posts
Jun 14, 2014
8:38 PM
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supersix..Used to hang out at the White Tower on main, It was on the west side of the street right there at the corner of the alley (or used to be alley) If you look where the old soldier is now standing,it was directly across from there and Cattycorner from the north end of the Biltmore. That alleyway that runs beside the Biltmore used to continue through (westbound) all the way to Perry street.That White Tower sat right on the corner of that alleyway and it could get a little rough in there late at night due to the bar crowds, especially on weekends.
SteveK..Thanks a lot for the old photo, I never would have guessed there was a White Tower there. Actually it reminds me of that little one that used to sit on the NW corner of 3rd and Wilkinson (across from the YWCA and the Clickety Clack.
Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 14, 2014 8:40 PM
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RIVERDALE RAT
563 posts
Jun 14, 2014
11:48 PM
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Copson… I am sorry, but I have been off of the boards for a couple of years and I just noticed where you said you had sent me an email, that's an old email addy and it kept getting hacked so I closed it, I need to update with my new one. I remember Cliff cab when they had a bunch of cabs and were about the best little cab company in town. I knew a bunch of the drivers and a couple of dispatchers; sorry to hear they had gone so far downhill at the end. REALLY sorry that you guys incorporated them into Yellow, those green cabs were a part of Dayton history, but business is business. I remember the old Yellow cab offices being on the south side of West First street, a couple of blocks past the old Stratford House Hotel.
I remember ‘Dayton Liberty’ as Miami-Liberty (because those two companies had merged) Checker also had a pretty good sized fleet at one time, do you remember them? They were green also, not a vivid green like Cliff, but a weird kind of light colored olive and cream. I also remember a Black owned Taxi Company that served mainly West Dayton, I am not sure how many cabs they had, but I used to see them parked in front of the old Greyhound station; they were Blue and Black if memory serves with a little round blue roof light. I think they were called West End Cab or Westside Taxi, something like that.
Curious to know what era you were around Riverdale, sounds like we may know some of the same people. I lived on Babbitt and McDaniel and remember Russ’s when they were a small hole in the wall with a wooden floor. They sat almost on the corner of Main and McPherson next to that old dive bar. There used to be another small neighborhood grocery on the NE corner of Main and Riverdale Street in the basement below the Riverdale Apartments, if memory serves they closed not too long after Russ’s opened up their new store.
Do you remember Elmo and how he used to be all over the neighborhood like a wet blanket? I swear that man spent half of his shift every night trying to catch me out after curfew. A bunch of us used to sneak up to Russ’s late at night and if we seen Elmo sneaking around, we would all take off in different directions, this used to annoy Elmo to the point that he started cruising around with his headlights off . The headlights trick was also a big fail, because we could hear his brakes squeaking a block away. In retrospect I could never figure out why he didn’t just ignore us till we got where we were going and he could have just driven into the parking lot and had all of us trapped inside the store.
Elmo was a decent cop I guess, but he wasted too much time on little piddly little crap. He tried to accuse me of pulling the fire alarm on the corner pull box across from my house one evening; I never had much use for him after that. There were two other cops that I knew who played the headlights out trick more than normal and that was Jonesy and Lyle, (mainly Jones) Grossnickle normally had better sense unless he was trying to sneak up on someone who was actually committing a real crime. Jones and Carey would have made good partners, one loudmouth obnoxious grump and one smooth talking backstabber and both of them chasing kids on bicycles and writing jaywalking tickets. Sorry if either of these two were your Father, but they were my least favorites. Grossnickle jerked a knot in my tail a couple of times, but I fully deserved it and looking back he probably kept me out of a lot of hot water, I always respected him and he knew it..All for now.
Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 14, 2014 11:50 PM
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RIVERDALE RAT
645 posts
Jun 29, 2014
5:37 PM
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Copson... I see you are apparently not a regular visitor to the boards anymore at all. I just wanted to reiterate that I have my email updated now and would love to chat about cop stuff and old Riverdale. I am very close to taking another hiatus myself, I will try not to stay gone so long this time, but if you happen to return to the boards during my absence you can now send me an email and I will receive it this time.
Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 29, 2014 5:37 PM
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jamesjohnson1970
33 posts
Jul 05, 2014
6:45 PM
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I drove a cab in college. Pretty sure it was Cliff. Job was so crappy that I only went out 7 times.
First time working the dispatcher gave me a hard time about what I turned in. The other dispatcher told his co-worker to call the police on me. Guess that bozo did not know the difference between civil and criminal law, which is probably why he worked there.
I remember the one dispatcher trying to sell me on the job when I applied. He said you can do well enough to pay your rent and buy a sandwich. Yeah, he said that, no kidding.
You had to pay gas, mileage, and a standard rental fee. I think I broke even on two shifts, meaning I made nothing after paying all my fees.
They always gave the newcomers the worst of their junk fleet. One time, I got up on route 35 and this "car" would not go. I put the accelerator all the way to floor and it got up to 35MPH.
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RIVERDALE RAT
659 posts
Jul 08, 2014
9:58 PM
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jamesjohnson1970...You must have driven a bit later on, back in my era the drivers worked on a split, 60-40 I think. This lease stuff didn't start till sometime around the 70s. I remember the taxi squad used to look for cabs that had a passenger without the meter turned on, that was known as 'High Flagging' Meaning you took the passenger to their destination for a flat fee and stuck it in your pocket, cheating the company out of their percentage. Those old Rockwell meters had separate little number screens for everything and the clerk could read the meter and tell to the penny how much you had booked that day. Running without the meter on allowed you to fly under the radar and steal from the company. Getting caught meant a hefty fine by the city, possible loss of license and possibly even jail time since it was a violation of city ordinance.
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sam1972
10 posts
Jul 13, 2014
10:01 AM
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burger chef had a very underrated roast beef sandwich
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RIVERDALE RAT
670 posts
Jul 13, 2014
2:29 PM
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sam1972... I surely don't recall Burger Chef ever having a roast beef sandwich on their menu. Burgers fries, fountain soft drinks and shakes that's how I remember Burger Chef, I don't even recall them having onion rings or a fish sandwich on the menu, but I am sure they probably did.
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