RIVERDALE RAT
255 posts
Sep 12, 2009
9:06 PM
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I cant seem to remember too much that went on in my era, I was wondering if anybody has any good stories about crimes that occured in Dayton. we had one thread started by "rfk61" titled A sad memory that got us remembering the murdered school teacher in kettering. and and a post from "rodat6" under the Winters bank thread reminding us of a mass shooting that took place in the old Winters Bank at 2nd and Main sts. that jogged our memories a bit. I was wondering how many more are out there floating around in the caverns of our minds. lets explore the underside of Dayton a bit.
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dquartz
146 posts
Sep 12, 2009
9:47 PM
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riverdale..this is a great idea,and it reminds me of a question i have been meaning to ask but keep forgetting. does anybody remember a mass shoting at the chrysler airtemp plant in north dayton ? it seems like i remember about an employee or fired employee bringing a gun to work and kiling some people. i dont remember when this happened but i remember reading about it somewhere.
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dquartz
154 posts
Sep 13, 2009
1:52 PM
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nobody remembers the shootings at the airtemp plant ? maybe iam going crazy ?
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RIVERDALE RAT
259 posts
Sep 13, 2009
3:06 PM
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dquartz: this may have happened after I left dayton, but I never heard of it. does anybody remember the owner of the Varsity Lanes being killed on his front porch/yard ?
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rfk61
49 posts
Sep 13, 2009
3:46 PM
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Where I grew up, I didn't know what crime was. The closest thing to crime or being worried about it was when someone cut all of our christmas lights that we had outside on our trees. I was very sheltered from it I guess, living in our little suburban neighborhood. I always liken it to the tv show The Wonder Years.
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RIVERDALE RAT
264 posts
Sep 13, 2009
3:51 PM
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rfk61: I missed out on a lot of that news myself. my dad used to talk about things sometimes and I would overhear him. along with your topic on the school teacher in kettering, thats what got me to wondering how many things of a sensational nature occured during our times that we simply tuned out.
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rfk61
50 posts
Sep 13, 2009
3:57 PM
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RR...I know what you mean. I'm sure that has to be the way I heard of the girl, by overhearing it and it just stuck in my head.
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RIVERDALE RAT
268 posts
Sep 13, 2009
6:49 PM
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dquartz: I tried to search for information on your mystery shooting at the Airtemp plant. I could find nothing, although my search was somewhat brief I am thinking maybe it could have been at a plant in another city. do you have any idea what year this took place ? it seems like somebody would remember this if it had taken place in Dayton.
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pie8me
43 posts
Sep 14, 2009
9:48 AM
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dquartz: I just talked to my Dad. He was an Engineer at Airtemp at the time of the shooting. He told me the shooter was being hazed pretty severely and must have just snapped. He went home at lunch, got his gun came back and shot his tormentor. Dad said he walked past the area about 10 minutes after it happened, saw the crowd gathered but didn't know what had happened at the time, only finding out later when the Police arrived. He couldn't remember if the victim had died or not. It was a single victim, not a mass incedent.
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dquartz
171 posts
Sep 14, 2009
6:23 PM
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pie8me..gee thanks i was starting to think i had lost my mind. tell your dad thanks too. i guess that explains why everybody didnt know about it. i had heard it was a mass shooting, funny how things get so blown out of proportion.
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RIVERDALE RAT
301 posts
Sep 15, 2009
5:49 PM
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none of you other Riverdale guys remember anything about the owner of the Varsity lanes getting killed in front of his house ?
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dquartz
191 posts
Sep 17, 2009
5:58 PM
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riverdale...i think i remember something about the owners father being killed that way but not the owner hinself. i think he just sold the place and retired....not sure on this one.
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corvettes6
46 posts
Sep 17, 2009
8:39 PM
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dquartz has it correct can't remember full name think last was Zavakas was shot and killed on Forest Ave in 50's leaving his home
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RIVERDALE RAT
314 posts
Sep 17, 2009
10:43 PM
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CORVETTES6: You know what you are talking about, that was the exact area where it occured and the name is pretty close to being correct if not exact. I only know a few things about the son, he was a friend of my dads.
I can close my eyes and picture the man but only knew him to speak to. my father used to tell me the story of how the father was killed and that the son was a fighter pilot in world war 2. but it seems like I remember my father telling me on the phone about 6 months before he passed away that the son had been killed the same exact way and in the same location as his father, only 30 some years later. I remember thinking how ironic the whole thing was and wondering if the same person or family of the same person was responsible for both deaths. maybe I am going crazy, me and my father used to talk a lot about the happenings of Dayton because I had been gone since the early 70s. corvette, didnt you say in another thread that you was 1st group of 66 ?
Last Edited by on Sep 17, 2009 10:48 PM
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JeffN
239 posts
Sep 18, 2009
8:17 AM
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My family was involved in an infamous crime, but I'm not sure of the year (I wasn't born yet, I don't think). My uncle, Jimmy Denton, shot and killed his young daughter. He was trying to shoot my aunt, but she moved and the little girl was standing behind her. It was front page news in the Dayton Daily (I saw an old copy of the article years later, but was never quite brought up to speed).
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RIVERDALE RAT
318 posts
Sep 18, 2009
9:01 AM
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JeffN: That sounds like a story that someone should remember. do you have an idea of what Decade it may have happend, 40s, 50,s 60s ?. area of the City ? hopefully someone will be able to shed some light on it for all of us.
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Steve K
123 posts
Sep 18, 2009
11:23 AM
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JeffN.... She was Cathy Denton, three years old, died August 9, 1947... they lived at 27 S. Broadway.
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JeffN
240 posts
Sep 18, 2009
12:59 PM
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SteveK ... wow, it happened on my mom's birthday. What information do you have on the incident? I think my dad and another uncle were the first on the scene.
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Steve K
126 posts
Sep 18, 2009
7:23 PM
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I just looked at her death certificate at www.familysearch.org..... I'll try and look for newspaper articles, although I don't think I'll be at the library anytime soon.
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corvettes6
47 posts
Sep 18, 2009
8:52 PM
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RR I remember that account too. The father was killed in the 30's if I recall some of the older guys rememberences. Yes graduated from academy in Sept 66
I worked Riverdale in 67,8,9. Then other assignments
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dquartz
193 posts
Sep 18, 2009
9:23 PM
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corvettes66: I know this was rats question but which account do you remember, just the father or the father and many years later the son too ? cause thats pretty weird. almost unreal.
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JeffN
241 posts
Sep 18, 2009
9:52 PM
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Steve K ... OK, I'm a computer idiot ... how did u get to her death certificate? Thanks.
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RIVERDALE RAT
324 posts
Sep 19, 2009
12:46 AM
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corvettes66: Do you remember both, or just the father ?
was you working over in riverdale when Russ Guerra was shot ?...Thanks.
Last Edited by on Sep 19, 2009 12:47 AM
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corvettes6
48 posts
Sep 19, 2009
8:58 PM
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RR yes I was I was the first crew on the scene it was Mary ave. The AO shot him then stood over him and fired more rounds chipping the street and hitting him with asphault shame he gave up
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RIVERDALE RAT
332 posts
Sep 19, 2009
9:08 PM
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corvettes6: I been trying to find somebody that remembered that. I was listening to the calls with my dad the evening it happened and I heard him calling for help after he was hit.
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RIVERDALE RAT
333 posts
Sep 19, 2009
10:04 PM
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pie8me/dquartz: Pie8me, your dad was right on the shooting. only one man died however it looks like a couple more were wounded. (dquartz thats where your idea of a mass shooting probably came into play). I was finally able to find something on this. the incident took place on july 9th 1965 (I was still in Dayton, dont understand how I forgot this)
A factory worker believed angered at reports that he would be laid off was held by Police Friday after a shooting spree which left another worker dead and two others wounded. held in the shooting is Alfred L, Davis, 24, of Dayton, an employee of the Chrysler Airtemp corp. division plant. the worker wounded fatally was Raymond E. Kiser. the other workers wounded were Earsell James, shot in the neck and in fair condition at the hospital, and George Woods wounded in the arm and treated in the plant medical room. a foreman, Wayne Miller, said Davis appeared to open fire with a revolver without provocation. there were reports at the plant that Davis had been informed he was to be laid off work, but plant officials have not confirmed this.
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RIVERDALE RAT
336 posts
Sep 19, 2009
11:07 PM
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This was discussed briefly in the Winters bank thread and another place that I cant find. I was just able to find this today,so I am going to put it here in hopes the person who asked will see it. I posted it in the bank thread as well.
Jun 1, 1955 - A crazed gunman strode silently into two downtown Dayton banks today, shot and killed three persons including a former Notre Dame basketball star, and wounded five other persons before he was fatally cut down by police bullets. the suspect, a 47-year-old man killed three persons and wounded four others in two centrally located banks he was captured after three policemen, one off-duty, caught up to him and,shot him in the Winters Bank.
this is all I have on it but at least we know the date.
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dquartz
217 posts
Sep 20, 2009
2:20 AM
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riverdale...thanks a lot for researching the airtemp shoting, thats some more information that was forgotten. i dont know how you missed it either it wa all over the papers and the newscasts. i never heard of those bank shootings before coming to this blog but that was way before my time. good research!
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Steve K
129 posts
Sep 20, 2009
3:15 PM
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JeffN.... try this... if it doesn't work, email me at wd8dcx@aol.com and I'll try and send it to you as an attachment.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#searchType=standard;givenName=Katherine;surname=Denton;p=recordResults
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dquartz
220 posts
Sep 20, 2009
8:58 PM
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does anybody remember a bar on shroyer road near the old parkmoor ? I remember hearing the owner of this place was killed inside the bar back in the late 60s and they never caught the guy who done it.
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JeffN
243 posts
Sep 21, 2009
7:17 AM
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Thanks Steve ... I'll give it a try.
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RIVERDALE RAT
349 posts
Sep 21, 2009
7:54 PM
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dquartz: The Bar was owned by Jerrry Israel, if memory serves he comitted Suicide. I believe it was before the late 60s though (not positive on that part)
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dquartz
228 posts
Sep 22, 2009
11:01 PM
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riverdale...did it happen in the bar, do you know ?
does anybody else remember this ?
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RIVERDALE RAT
359 posts
Sep 23, 2009
7:51 PM
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dquartz: I am wanting to say yes, it did happen inside the Bar. but I am not positive.
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dquartz
236 posts
Sep 24, 2009
7:47 PM
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does anybody else remember the name of the bar or when it happened ?
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TEW
16 posts
Sep 26, 2009
9:51 AM
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Does anyone recall the execution-style murder of Lester Emoff, former owner of Emoff Furniture? He was abducted at his store on Salem Avenue, taken to a field in Jefferson Township and shot. That is how I recall the story. Very sad. May have been in the '80's.
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Marck1957
82 posts
Sep 26, 2009
10:10 AM
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I went to school with Emoff's grandson long long ago. The incident was in 1976 (maybe 1975). They essentially kidnapped Mr. Emoff and demanded money for his return. To prove they had him, they cut off one of his fingers and left it in a family mailbox. It has been so long ago that I don't remember all the details, but I think that they just executed him, as you say, while he pleaded for his life. Perhaps they took his finger after that. They had never planned on returning him once the ransom was paid, and I think that the person (s) responsible were given the death sentance. I wonder if he (they) are still in prison, waiting for execution? The whole thing is still sickening, all these years later.
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Steve K
134 posts
Sep 26, 2009
10:56 AM
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The bar I remember across the street from Parkmoor was the Shroyer Inn.... I think it changed hands once or twice while I was hanging out there (mostly with the guys and gals who worked at Parkmoor). I don't recall the names of any of the owners at this point, and never heard any stories about the death of a previous owner that I recall. There's still a bar there today, I think.
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RIVERDALE RAT
371 posts
Sep 26, 2009
5:19 PM
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TEW/Marck1957: It happened in september of 1975. Emoff was abducted after leaving 1 of his 3 furniture stores. the family gave in to the kidnappers demands and paid the $400,000 ransom, Lester Emoff was murdered anyway. he was found dead 3 days after the kidnapping. Albert Lee Scott Junior 40, was arrested. He had worked for Emoff and had served time in 2 Ohio prisons. the FBI agent in charge of the investigation was Thomas Kitchens.
This is what I have on it, everybody please feel free to add anything that you may know, I am sure there is a lot more. if memory serves, this senseless crime garnered national attention at the time.
Last Edited by on Sep 26, 2009 5:33 PM
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RIVERDALE RAT
372 posts
Sep 26, 2009
5:38 PM
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SteveK: By the time I was old enough to go into Bar's, thats pretty much how I remember the place as well. I think during the era that dquartz is speaking of, it may have been called Jerry's tavern. (not positive on this one) hopefully, sooner or later somebody who remembers the incident will chime in with the facts.
Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2009 3:46 AM
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dquartz
238 posts
Sep 26, 2009
9:01 PM
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it seems to me like there was more than one person involved with the emoff kidnapping and murder.
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RIVERDALE RAT
375 posts
Sep 26, 2009
9:15 PM
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Here's more information on another suspect in the Emoff Kidnapp/Murder.
On September 26, 1975, Willis Leroy was arrested in connection with the kidnapping and murder of Lester Emoff, a Dayton area businessman. Leroy was tried by jury in the Court of Common Pleas of Hamilton County, Ohio, and convicted of aggravated murder (with the specification of kidnapping), kidnapping, and extortion. On February 23, 1977, Leroy was sentenced to life imprisonment for aggravated murder, seven to twenty-five years for kidnapping, and three to ten years for extortion, all sentences to be served consecutively.
Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2009 12:21 AM
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dquartz
242 posts
Sep 27, 2009
9:34 PM
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riverdale.. good information on thr emoff case. i cant see how those guys escaped the death penalty for what they done. iam starting to wonder if anybody ever got the death penalty for something they done in dayton.
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Steve K
139 posts
Sep 28, 2009
3:50 PM
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dquartz.... sure... according to legend, Charlie Stimmel helped build Ohio's first electric chair, and then he got to try it out after he was convicted of a number of crimes !
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dquartz
250 posts
Oct 01, 2009
2:57 AM
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stevek... yeah, i think i remember hearing that. i wonter if there has been a crime committed in dayton since the 50s that anyone got the death penalty for ? it just seems like there was about a 20-30 year period where you couldnt do anything brutal enough to warrant capital punishment.
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dquartz
260 posts
Oct 04, 2009
1:39 AM
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does anybody remember a story about a janitor that was killed in memorial hall and supposedly still haunts the place ? just wondering if this is a legend or if this really happened.
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RIVERDALE RAT
404 posts
Oct 04, 2009
4:53 PM
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dquartz: Curt should know more about this than me, but I think this is an old Haunting legend. I think it really did happen but he was not Murdered, I think he fell from a ladder or something while he was replacing lights. (not sure of the details) I will try and research it a little bit later.
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RIVERDALE RAT
414 posts
Oct 06, 2009
6:03 AM
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dquartz: From what I could find so far the man who died apparently fell in or near the orchestra pit. he was taken to the hospital where he later passed away from injuries sustained in the fall. this is all I have right now.
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dquartz
269 posts
Oct 06, 2009
8:02 PM
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does anybody remember a murder case where the body of a murdered girl was found out at the south dayton dump on dryden road ? was that case ever solved ? do they know who the girl was ? that post about the south dayton dump got me to thinking. i think this happened maybe 15-20 years ago. or am i confused about the location ?
Last Edited by on Oct 06, 2009 8:03 PM
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dquartz
270 posts
Oct 06, 2009
8:04 PM
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riverdale... thanks for the research on the memorial hall thing. i checked some of the ghost sites and i cant find any reference to a haunting there.
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