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newsnot 377 posts Jun 16, 2014 4:48 AM	Riverdale Rat, Where have you been? You used to be a heavy contributor then you seem to have disappeared. Glad you are back. newsnot
newsnot 378 posts Jun 16, 2014 5:08 AM	Riverdale, Seems like luv my Dayton took over your spot. She seems to have a great knowledge of Dayton. I always wanted to ask her out on a date but didn't know if she was Married. newsnot
RIVERDALE RAT 579 posts Jun 16, 2014 2:00 PM	newsnot...Just found this, I just took a short hiatus and got out of the habit of posting, the boards were pretty dead there for a while and I was about the only one posting (or so it seemed) I am glad we got some new blood here now, some of the newcomers only go back to the mid 70s and that's where I left off so I don't have much to contribute to their posts, but I learn some good stuff that happened after I left Dayton. I won't stay gone so long again, I missed the boards and talking to all of you guys. do you know if Delcodude is still around? did you ever get around to trying the Hasty Tasty Chicken? Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 16, 2014 2:04 PM
RIVERDALE RAT 580 posts Jun 16, 2014 2:17 PM	You know there are thousands of others like you and luv my Dayton and me out there that don't know about our blog, I hope they find it real soon. I am still thinking we need to have at least a Bi-yearly reunion where we could get together and reminisce while we are still strong in numbers.
newsnot 383 posts Jun 16, 2014 5:14 PM	Riverdale, I haven't seen Delco dude lately. Walnut hills park would be a good location for a get together.Do you think Cincinnati and Dayton are sort of "growing together". Seems to me like they are. The Austin interchange on I-75 Is helping this. Dayton gives you a lot for your money in housing.Take the Walnut Hills area. Houses are about half the price as the same house in Cincinnati.Dayton has some beautiful neighborhoods.
newsnot 384 posts Jun 16, 2014 5:19 PM	Riverdale, Speaking of chicken my all time favorite was Chicken Louies. What a meal! Hasty Tasty is still good. Didn't some restraunt in Huber Heights feature Parkmoor styleChicken a while back? Last Edited by newsnot on Jun 16, 2014 5:22 PM
RIVERDALE RAT 584 posts Jun 16, 2014 5:45 PM	I once ran the reunion idea by Curt and he was all in favor of it, but that's been forever ago. Curt has to be part of anything we do. I hope Delcodude is still around and checking the site periodically, he knew a lot about east Dayton and even knew some folks that I knew as a kid. Not sure what's going on with the "growing Together" I have been gone from that part of the Country for better than 30 years. I know there is a ton of little towns and cities between Dayton and Cincinnati, so as they annex and expand toward each other it could actually give the impression of being one long strung together city. Not sure how the economy is up that way, but when I left, Moraine was turning into a ghost town and Hamilton and Middletown were both very economically depressed, so all of that will factor into any future growth for the area. Dayton does still have some beautiful neighborhoods, thanks to Google street view I tour the city often, but problem is it's sometimes outdated. I just learned today that the school at 5th and Findlay has been torn down and Google shows it still standing and alive and healthy.
newsnot 385 posts Jun 16, 2014 6:55 PM	Riverdale, I think the old GM plant has been taken over by a foreign glass company. Many jobs will be coming. The economy in Cincinnati is booming. This will over flow into Dayton.Google is not totally up to date but close. I love the College Street named area off Salem. And love Walnut hills area. Maybe a little rough but will be getting better.
RIVERDALE RAT 589 posts Jun 17, 2014 6:14 PM	Newsnot.. Well this is my second attempt to post this, the first one ended up someplace in never, never land. I sure hope for the sake of everyone in that region that you are right about Moraine City rebounding. I think the people in that area were hit about as hard as anyone. If I were in politics in that area, my main drive and focus would be to create jobs and lure industry back in to the Dayton area. I can recall when Delco, Frigidaire, Airtemp, GHR and a lot more were running full blast. It’s going to be very difficult to replace all of those lost jobs, especially when we have politicians that think the opening of a new Wal-Mart is job creation. Dayton CAN rebound, I just hope I live long enough to see it. driver62… Good hearing from you too.. Can you shed any light into why we have three empty/vacant lots on the corners of Salem and catalpa? My dad had a friend that lived in the corner house right up from the synagogue, I can’t recall his name and he passed away of a hemorrhage in the mid 60s. The house was kind of a light/faded yellow with a brick colored roof and brown trim (or at least that’s what my memory pulls up from the last time I saw it) I Googled that area a few months ago and the house was gone. PS.. Do either of you recall the name of the supermarket that used to sit next door to the Hasty Tasty on Salem Ave? Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 17, 2014 7:02 PM
newsnot 386 posts Jun 18, 2014 4:58 AM	Riverdale, There was an A&P market at 401 Salem and another at 3998 Salem
newsnot 387 posts Jun 18, 2014 5:03 AM	driver62, The College street area of Dayton is so beautiful.I take walks there often.
driver62 529 posts Jun 18, 2014 6:33 AM	Riverdale Rat - The three corners are empty because the places that were there closed. The BP was first, then the chicken place and finally Troutman's. The city decided to make the corners into small parks with walkways and benches as Salem already has plenty of empty run down buildings. It sure beats looking at a pile of dirt.
RIVERDALE RAT 595 posts Jun 18, 2014 9:27 AM	Newsnot… I have fond memories of that old A&P at 401 Salem. I used to take a dollar in there and clean up at the discount/clearance bakery rack, lol. This wasn’t one of the major chain markets that were all over town, it was huge and more along the line of a Woody’s or something like that. It was just past the old Hasty Tasty a couple of hundred yards, it would have been the 3200-3300 block. Google tells me the building is still standing and occupied but I can’t tell what it is anymore. It actually looks like its purposely remaining nondescript like a secret squirrel Government building of some sort. The old Atta Boy spot now has a Family Dollar, the old Hasty Tasty spot is now a Wendy’s, the savings and loan is still there (Boarded up) and next to that is my old market. I see there is one old dilapidated house and out building still standing next to the market on whats left of Byron Street. driver62… I love the small parks with walkways and benches Idea; I just wondered how they came about. I wish the city would have done a lot more of that. I could have sworn that there was a house on that corner (up from the synagogue) that was in the early-mid 60’s so I guess I could be mistaken, I was only there twice. Just took a short Google trip up Salem and I don’t even recognize Good Sam anymore, it’s sprung out all over the place. Miracle mile is of course another giant empty field/lot, there used to be a drug store in there that was the last place In Dayton that you could buy Fan Tan chewing gum. Dayton is beginning to look like Post Katrina New Orleans. Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 18, 2014 9:29 AM
newsnot 389 posts Jun 18, 2014 11:55 AM	Riverdale, A&P Stores that were in Dayton: 1229 Wilmington 98 Smithville Harshman Heights Whipp and Far Hills 310 South Jefferson 4225 North Main 401 Salem 3998 Salem Gettysburg and Hoover Not 100% sure of this one 504 Xenia I think this is all? Liberal Markets were the big gun grocery stores in Dayton. Think they had King Korn Stamps you got with your purchases.
newsnot 390 posts Jun 18, 2014 12:12 PM	Riverdale, One good side effect of that "post Katrina look" is that neighborhoods have lots of space to grow. Many areas of Dayton have new houses being built on places where old houses once stood.
RIVERDALE RAT 600 posts Jun 18, 2014 1:22 PM	newsnot... Yeah, maybe the neighborhoods have lots of space to grow, but I am highly perturbed at the way they rip down and haul away every piece of history in sight. I have no issues with knocking down eyesores and structures that are beyond repair. Its nonsense like that ridiculous stunt of decimating everything in sight along the West side of St. Clair Street from 1st all the way to 3rd, and what did that accomplish? There were two old historic churches in that block across from the library, one of which I am told housed one of the oldest black congregations in Dayton, now both of them are in the scrap heap and for what? The land is still vacant! The only thing that seems safe from the wrecking ball in that city is the Old Catholic churches and I am sure their day is coming soon enough. Sacred Heart had a close call a few years back as I understand.
driver62 530 posts Jun 19, 2014 6:25 AM	Riverdale - I've lived less than a block from Salem and Catalpa for over 41 years and I don't remember a house but there may have been a house there at one time. If there was, it would have probably have been on the NE corner as that's the only lot big enough for a house. When I moved here in 1973, the NE corner had a small strip mall with a great donut shop. Then BP bought the land and put up a gas station.
luv my dayton 623 posts Jun 19, 2014 7:37 AM	Honestly don't know of any churches that have been demolished as they can always be used for something. There is a church up on Huffman Hill that had been used as a private home two different times and now a Buddhist church. The other church I believe was or still is a Hispanic church. Dayton has really become a very diverse town. Putting in a plug here, there's a place down on 3rd st next to the Baptist church near Terry that does an excellent business with their Mexican food. Really nice people and wish I had learned Spanish to be able to communicate and get to know them better. Food is great and glad they are doing so well. I do the carry out but they have eat in space to accommodate the public. Prices also very reasonable and portions nice size. Now a question, was there at any time a trading stamp that was plaid? Just about every business gave stamps or some item in thanks for your business. My dad gave away the Apollo glasses at his which you still see many yet today. Last Edited by luv my dayton on Jun 19, 2014 7:39 AM
newsnot 392 posts Jun 19, 2014 8:18 AM	Billd 1952 and luv my Dayton, I think A&P Gave Plaid Stamps Albers gave S&H Liberal gave King Korn Kroger gave Top Value Wonder what year they quit giving them?
johnfader 56 posts Jun 19, 2014 8:35 AM	RIVERDALE, welcome back. It seems that when you are posting you inspire a lot of thoughts and memories and the increase in the number of messages is quite noticeable. Keep up the good work and hope you are around for a long time.
RIVERDALE RAT 603 posts Jun 19, 2014 1:24 PM	luv my Dayton…The larger catholic churches in that area have remained relatively safe from the wrecking ball. Catholic churches in Dayton are overseen by the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, they are not as bad as some, but they are not immune from calling out the wrecking ball when they see fit. By “not as bad as some” I mean there are other Bishops such as upstate New York and most of Pennsylvania that are closing and demolishing old historic churches like crazy. (Google St. Ann’s Church and Shrine in Buffalo NY for one small example of parishioners fighting to save their church) Sacred Heart was never slated for the wrecking ball, but it stood vacant for a long time (I am told) and that’s a huge No No. Churches that stand vacant for extended periods of time are a financial burden to the Diocese and they often fall into serious disrepair and have to be demolished for safety reasons. Sacred Heart was eventually bought by the St. Vincent DePaul society and later turned over to a Vietnamese congregation. There is a short video about this on YouTube “Sacred Heart Church-Ringing of the Bell” The smaller protestant churches are much more vulnerable, I have noticed a lot that are no longer with us such as the Open Bible church that used to stand on the point of S. Patterson Blvd and Green Street. The place is now a grassy lot with trees, pretty as it is I would rather have my historic old church still standing. Moving up the street and around the corner to 6th and Brown, we have another beautiful old historic church missing; it used to grace the NE corner and run a bit west on 6th. There are several missing in North Dayton; one was torn down to make way for the park that sits across from the new Children’s hospital. I love the Children’s hospital and the park, but they only used a small portion of the land where the church once sat and they could have went around and saved the church, it would have cost them all of about 500 Sq. Feet. I suppose the wanted the entire area cleared for aesthetic purposes. The two old churches that once sit on St. Clair Street were also historic, one steepled and one a sturdy brown brick with a square bell tower as I remember. They were only a few doors apart and have been replaced with another coveted vacant lot. With the older Dayton crowd passing on and moving away coupled with the demographic change, I am sure some of the older and larger catholic parishes are struggling. I truly don’t see how St. Joseph and Holy trinity are holding on or where they are drawing their congregations from. I would also assume that Holy Family and Holy Rosary is only a ghost of what they used to be (attendance wise). Hopefully they will be with us for at least a couple more generations. The influx of other nationalities such as Hispanic has often rejuvenated/given a second life to struggling parishes in other areas of the country. Scotch plaid stamps: Yes there was such a thing, if memory serves they were redeemable at E.F. McDonald. I cannot remember for sure who issued them; we discussed trading stamps in detail a few years back on another thread and the consensus was that they came from A&P. We never saved anything except Top Value and S&H, but I do distinctly remember that Kroger’s issued Top Value and Albers issued S&H. Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 19, 2014 4:52 PM
RIVERDALE RAT 604 posts Jun 19, 2014 1:29 PM	driver62… I know you have lived in that area for a long while, that’s why I tend to think that maybe I remember the wrong corner. The house surely could have been gone by the time you moved there, but anything replacing it would have had to have been/looked fairly new and I am sure it would have stood out. The house would have sat on the SE corner, it was a relatively small house compared to others in that area, but it had a large front yard and a fair portion on the North side as well. I will cruise up Salem later on today on Google street view and look for other possible corners; I do remember it being on the same side of the street and not being far from that particular Synagogue. newsnot.. I agree with your take on who gave out which stamps. If you remember, we had a great discussion on this a few years back. I think the jury was still out on Liberal Markets, about half of the people thought they gave out King Korn and half thought they didn’t give out any stamps at all. I remember one lady was adamant that they never gave out anything. I personally don’t recall, I do remember my Mom stopping in at Liberal’s on E 3rd by the Arcade (every time we were downtown) and picking up one or two items, I don’t remember any trading stamps, I also don’t remember any from my times of frequenting the Liberal on Salem, but like I say we never saved them so it would be easy to forget. Sometimes it seems like I vaguely remember King Korn from there and other times I don’t, so I am honestly going to have to say that I don’t know for sure. I also remember a light blue stamp from somewhere, Big Star Markets maybe? I vividly remember the Greyhound racing cards from Big Star and watching the races on channel 22 to see if you won. johnfader…Thank you. I have always enjoyed this site and I have learned a lot from others as well as conjured up thousands of old forever buried memories in my own head. I think the most important thing we do on here is give back once forgotten memories. Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 19, 2014 1:30 PM
newsnot 393 posts Jun 19, 2014 1:44 PM	Riverdale, There were probably some other brands of stamps out there. Eavys Super Value probably had some kinda stamps. The stamps Liberal markets used will be up for some research.I will be checking on the red brick building at Reading Road and Kinsley for you. A few years ago there was a fellow on our site. He worked for Liberal Markets at various stores. I was talking with him on line then he just disappeared. He would know the kinda stamps they used. Last Edited by newsnot on Jun 19, 2014 1:45 PM
RIVERDALE RAT 606 posts Jun 19, 2014 2:54 PM	newsnot...Yes, I hear you and let’s not forget that many of the gas stations gave out stamps as well. I am sure there are a zillion old Liberal employees still around, I wish a lot more of them would find their way on here. I think many people are excited when they first find this blog and then after a few months they just run out of things to talk about and fade away. I also think that many people visit this site, but never find/visit our blog pages. I just noticed your post about the chicken. I can’t recall ever having eaten at Chicken Louies, I do however vividly remember the chicken from Parkmoor and Hasty Tasty. I remember seeing Curt and a few other folks on here talking about the place in Huber Heights, I don’t recall the name of it and have no idea if they are still doing the Hasty Tasty chicken, I think they only had that once a week or so. Curt would know a lot more. Be sure and let me know what your research turns up. I think the old brick building may still be there.
newsnot 395 posts Jun 19, 2014 4:20 PM	Riverdale, Chicken Louie's was the ultimate Chicken. Located on North Main and Neal. Last time I went by the building was still there. It was once a gas station. The place opened and closed more than once. They had very large pieces of chicken and other items like large potato wedges. Probably what happened sometimes you were bothered by guys who just came out of nowhere panhandling. This would be fearful especially for women. Last Edited by newsnot on Jun 19, 2014 4:21 PM
RIVERDALE RAT 608 posts Jun 19, 2014 4:25 PM	olds88...Well if plaid was local then that would seem to speak volumes that they were probably handed out by Liberal or another somewhat local chain. We had Plaid picked for A&P. Lots of good info, now we have something else to ponder.
johnfader 57 posts Jun 19, 2014 8:38 PM	Liberal's gave out King Korn stamps around the middle 50's to early 60's and they were yellow. We lived a couple of blocks from it and my Dad and I went there every Saturday. We got to know one of the check out girls and would always get in her lane. She gave us extra stamps - not just a couple, but a handful. Mom enjoyed that, because she saved and redeemed them.
newsnot 396 posts Jun 20, 2014 1:41 AM	Riverdale, Johnfader seems sure about King Korn Stamps for Liberal Markets.
newsnot 398 posts Jun 20, 2014 2:01 AM	Riverdale, I made a mistake. Chicken Louie's was at the corner of Great Miami Blvd and North Main not neal.,
newsnot 401 posts Jun 20, 2014 12:29 PM	Joey m, I there anyplace to get his chicken today?
RIVERDALE RAT 611 posts Jun 20, 2014 12:59 PM	newsnot... Yes he does and that’s a whole lot of information to be remembering wrong so I believe it. We have several folks remembering the same thing in different ways, and I am useless because I can't say for sure either way. It seems like I can close my eyes and conjure up that silly ear of corn with the face and the kings crown, on the bottom of the Liberal Market full page newspaper ads, but then again it could even be somebody else's ads that I am recalling. I am thinking that perhaps the confusion could be caused by the dates. Many of us are from different eras and some of us may be remembering the days before or after they handed out stamps and some of us may remember them during the time when they did give them out, it’s the only explanation I can come up with because Liberal didn’t have franchise stores where some may do things differently than others. The only thing I am positive about at this point is Kroger=TV and Albers=S&H. those were the two stamps that we saved and those were the stores where we done 90% of our grocery shopping (except for the time we lived directly behind an A&P) I Got my first basketball with a book of top value stamps. joey m… I recognize all of those names, but I can’t recall ever having been in any of them. I recall the Twist Club mainly from seeing it talked about on here. Either the Twist club was before/after my era, they didn’t serve 3.2% beer or someone told me there wasn’t any girls there..LOL. My main drinking spots was the old Diamond club and a few hangouts along Brown Street (outhouse mainly) after I got my Draft Card and was legal I explored a bit more.
newsnot 409 posts Jun 20, 2014 7:42 PM	Riverdale, Crusing west on fifth street I notice overhead trolley wire not in use. I think RTA gets a federal subsidy for miles of wire hanging.So if a little is hanging unused they still get paid. That wire has been hanging dead for years.
RIVERDALE RAT 619 posts Jun 20, 2014 8:44 PM	newsnot...West on 5th street from where? I'll go have a look. You know the old City Transit lines had a bunch of short loops and turn arounds, maybe it's left over from those days.
newsnot 412 posts Jun 23, 2014 5:26 AM	Riverdale, I like your selection of churches.I haven't gotten the pictures you requested on Kinsey yet.
newsnot 413 posts Jun 23, 2014 6:49 AM	Riverdale, Check west 5th from Mound to Mcgee also follow Home.
newsnot 416 posts Jun 24, 2014 11:26 AM	Riverdale, I took the pictures you requested. The building still stands. Where should I send them to?
RIVERDALE RAT 631 posts Jun 25, 2014 8:09 AM	newsnot...Thanks, let me get back to you with an email and I'll also check out those trolley wires. Home Ave was the westbound end of the #2 Trolley, I am not aware of many shortline loops on that route, I'll have to look.
newsnot 418 posts Jun 25, 2014 8:22 AM	Riverdale, I made a mistake. There is no wire on home but plenty on 5th street.
RIVERDALE RAT 634 posts Jun 26, 2014 3:50 AM	newsnot... you owe me a Hasty Tasty chicken dinner for all of the Google gas I wasted searching up and down Home Ave..LOL!! They must have taken the old wire down and repurposed it, because the 2 trolley used to go up Home Avenue. I noticed on the East end of the route, the old short line loop/turnaround at LaBelle street is still there. Anybody know if the old Townview or Ft. McKinley shuttles are still running? Last Edited by RIVERDALE RAT on Jun 26, 2014 3:54 AM
newsnot 420 posts Jun 26, 2014 4:52 AM	Riverdale, Did you receive the pictures I sent you?
newsnot 421 posts Jun 26, 2014 4:57 AM	Riverdale, Most short turns are still there. Not sure if still used?
RIVERDALE RAT 636 posts Jun 27, 2014 7:33 PM	newsnot...No I am sorry I didn't get the pictures, remember I asked you to wait for my email address because the one showing in my account is no longer any good. Yahoo is a nightmare every few months I am either locked out of my account or asked to change my password, mot to mention the times I have been hacked and the endless spam. The email now showing in my account is the proper one, same handle except I dropped Yahoo as the provider, Sorry it took so long to update and thanks for getting the pictures.
RIVERDALE RAT 666 posts Jul 12, 2014 8:53 AM	newsnot...did you drop off the face of the earth? I thought we were doing old churches and trolley wires, where did you go?
sam1972 9 posts Jul 13, 2014 9:57 AM	I remember taking the bus from walnut hills to Patterson co op it would lose the track at nearly the same turn bout once a week
RIVERDALE RAT 671 posts Jul 13, 2014 2:48 PM	Yep, those old wires used to pop and crack at the junctions in the winter when there was ice. I think a lot of times the trolley popping off the wire was due to the driver traveling too fast over certain turns and junctions. I have fond memories of Patterson co op, it also is another much Un-needed vacant lot now. I recall my Dad complaining of how they tore down another good school in 1952 to make way for Patterson co op, now they are both gone. That's Dayton progress in a nutshell a wrecking ball and a bulldozer. I love Dayton, but most of the Dayton I remember is in the landfill.
sam1972 13 posts Jul 13, 2014 7:48 PM	is there a elsa's still on linden
RIVERDALE RAT 682 posts Jul 14, 2014 11:52 AM	Wish I had a dime for every hot dog and root beer that I pounded down at that old Sears store snack bar, I loved that place. My favorite memory of Memorial hall was the really neat civil war artifacts that they had displayed there on the 3rd floor (I believe) anyhow it was almost a mini museum.
joanofthe60s 16 posts Jul 18, 2014 12:41 PM	Sam1972, do you recall Patterson co op ever having a trade class where they taught printing skills to students? Rat, I remember the Sears store snack bar, it was right near the counter where you could buy insurance and near the doors that exited out on Monument Ave. I think the big display was in that area during Christmas time as well. They even had a bridal department upstairs that sold wedding dresses and accessories.
RIVERDALE RAT 699 posts Jul 19, 2014 8:45 AM	sam1972...If memory serves, it was the old number 8 & 9 trolleys that used to run up past Patterson co op. They used to sometimes 'pop the trolley' (as we called it) if they turned too quickly onto 1st street from Main. There was a supervisor that used to be stationed right there on the corner where they turned and sometimes he would run out of his little booth and put the trolley back on the wire for them so as not to block traffic. I am sure the driver heard about it later because the supervisors would always have a grumpy look on their face when they had to run out and do that, especially if it was in inclement weather. Whereabouts in Walnut Hills did you live? (if you don't mind me asking)
joanofthe60s 23 posts Jul 21, 2014 2:26 PM	Here is a photo that shows the two old churches on St. Clair Street that were torn down I couldn't quite recall them when rat was mentioning them, but I remember them well after seeing this photo. I used to sometimes sit and read in the park across the street and I would see the hustle and bustle around these two old churches on Sunday morning. I agree they should have been saved for historic reasons if it was at all possible. http://content.daytonmetrolibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/lutzenberge/id/494/rec/8

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