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Keugene48
16 posts
Dec 31, 2008
1:51 PM
I have a question: What was the name of the movie that had as part of its soundtrack the song "More". It was as near as I can remember one of those cheesy 50's semi documentaries that showed world cultures like a National Geographic magazine on the screen. There was some controversy because the movie was so 'bad' and the song was so good. Andy Williams and Vic Damon both had hits with it.

Last Edited by on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 PM
corvettes6
20 posts
Dec 31, 2008
2:08 PM
This is for smurfnana. Rest Haven was on Dayton-Xenia Rd South of Forest in Beavercreek. They had a fireplace and the best fried chicken. It was owned by two sisters can't remember their names who lived behind it and rented out trailers in the woods. It burned down in the late 70's.
Becky73
58 posts
Dec 31, 2008
6:51 PM
Love the movie subject. Speaking of which - anyone remember the huge theater on Salem Ave, very theme oriented. Kon Tiki or something like that. I spent many a date night there. It was cavernous and cold and probably still is that way even though it closed ages ago and has probably been torn down. I saw the first diaster movie of memory there - Poisdon Adventure. " There's Got to be a morning after...." OK - I am not singing.
SeeDavid
115 posts
Dec 31, 2008
7:44 PM
Becky, Keugene: I knew some people who worked at the Kon Tiki,they would sneak us into the side door. (Glad that place is closed, we would be busted!) I saw the Godfather there, and so many more I can't tell! It was certainly a North Dayton cinima. Me, Shelly Winters, without the swimming medal! Loved that song!

Max and John, can't fool you guys! Pull out those movies! As far as New Year's goes, didn't all of us spend many a New Year's Eve at the Theatre? Terry, it was the same theatre, you came in from the S going N. at the time... Loew's Ames. Good place, and then there was McCook's...showed Dr. Z, My Fair Lady, and had a giant screen. Then there came XXXXXX's .. goodness! Nothing bad intended, just implying angst. Happy New Year Dayton and Friends! ~c & d

Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2009 6:02 AM
Becky73
60 posts
Jan 01, 2009
7:01 AM
I don't know about that Bill - I have 3 daughters who never seriously dated any of the guys with the baggy pants. I think kids dress they way they do to tick off the parents. Just like boys wore their hair long like the Beatles to make the old man yell to get a haircut back in the 60's. And yes, I remember Poorboys. I had one I sewed buttons on myself.Saw one in the stores a few years ago just like it. What goes around comes around in fashion. There are plenty of ribbed sweaters out there.You don't have to go on E-Bay to find them. Just don't let the ribs expand too much over the belly or someone will turn you into the "What's Not to Wear" crew. And I don't think anyone is expecting a middle aged man to wear the baggy pants. I agree with your wife about the car. ;*}
driver62
149 posts
Jan 01, 2009
8:43 AM
Becky - The Kon Tiki was torn down several years ago and they are building a medical complex on the site.

Charlie's Imported Foods on Troy St was one of my favorite places for lunch when I worked right off Troy and Stanley. If you get there again, try the Black Forest sandwich...it's great.
Bill68
24 posts
Jan 01, 2009
9:32 AM
Hi, Becky. I was one of the kids in the 60s who wore my hair and clothes Beatles style and I was well encouraged and rewarded by the girls of that time. Making my parents mad at the same time was a welcome fringe benefit, worthy of the effort in and of itself, but the girls' responses were the prime motivating factor. There were girls who were attracted by the "greasers" of the time, but as I was more of a college-bound "Preppie", I was interested in the same type of potentially upwardly mobile girl of those days. Unless boys have changed dramatically from those days, there must somewhere be a whole group of girls who are rewarding the "bad boys" of today. My feelings were, and would be today if I was a kid, that if the girls weren't impressed by it, I wasn't going to do it.
SeeDavid
116 posts
Jan 01, 2009
10:03 AM
Bill: Becky is right. This fall I just purchased a ribbbed (poor boy) maroon in color, mock turtle neck short sleeve knit top. I am sure it is too big for you, though. If you are still entertaining the thoughts of wearing pegged sharkskin pants, then that thing will bag on you like those size 55's on an 18" waist. I agree with Becky about the boys, too. When I was young and a girl (still am but OLD gray haired girl)....I always went for a boy with a trade or aspirations of an education beyond high school. If you are constantly pulling your pants up, you don't have time to achieve anything. Just an opinion for those kids who are looking for school information.

Bill, you def. had a sense of style, and still do, you can describe things and put them into words and make me feel as if I am standing downtown looking in the windows at Rike's, Hardy's, Beerman's, or Price Stores! ~c
SeeDavid
117 posts
Jan 01, 2009
10:19 AM
THIS IS DAVE: My memories of TYPES OF CLOTHES and PEOPLE who wore them in the 60's: Greasers: Leather jackets, white socks. Preps: Button down collared madras, ironed jeans, saddle oxfords (brn or blk and also suede), large cable knit sweaters/maroon/blue/white V-neck. Hippies: Home made or altered clothing, patched jeans, buck skin jackets and boots (see Easy Rider for reference), "Carnaby Street" fashions from England:(see Austin Powers movie for reference)/enough said.

PEOPLE WHO WORE ABOVE GARB: Greasers, Preps, Artsy, Artsy/Music lovers (sub categories: Beach Boy/Surf, Hootenanny, Joan Baez, Beatle/British Invastion) ((sub-sub catagories:: Dylan went electric people, Pete Seggar had a heart attack people, and Barry McGuire started singing Eve of Destruction and left the New Christy Minstrels people))...then all lines were blurred and NO MORE CATEGORES. You just wore what you liked, and all of MY lines were blurred....we all wore it all! Does anyone understand this? It is all so clear to me. ALL WERE HERE, ALL OF US: Dayton! ~Dave

Last Edited by on Jan 29, 2009 11:15 AM
Bill68
26 posts
Jan 01, 2009
11:53 AM
Hi, Dave. Yeah, that's kind of the way I remember the lines being blurred also. Some days I was a Preppie, some days Austin Powers/Beatles, some days I wore white levis with wide-striped Beach Boy shirts and some days I wore pegged blue jeans with sharp-toed shoes. I looked a lot like the Jamie MacGregor character in "Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush". Money was tight enough that I couldn't throw away clothes just because some of the styles had changed and I was growing taller rapidly anyway. I loved Dylan songs especially Like A Rolling Stone and anything by the Beatles and any other British Invasion group. From Feb., 1964 through the fall of 1965 life was absolutely magical. Or so I now remember it. I might have been miserable, but I can't remember it that way. What I would give $1,000 for is 1/2 hour of the carefree feeling I had in those days. What was going to happen that day? Who would one meet? What unknown adventure was about to unfold? The world of the "real" adults was exciting and glamorous as shown on Man From Uncle, I-Spy, Star Trek, Wild,Wild West, The Avengers, Danger Man, etc. We were about to step into a world where they were going to invent hover cars, transporter beams, lots of travel, lots of leisure time and an absolute end to the hum-drum, boring, worrisome, work-a-day world our poor sap parents had designed for themselves for who knows what idiotic reason. I could never understand why my Dad got up so early to go to work at Dayton Forge and Heat Treat on Springfield Street when he obviously could have simply wished himself into a high paying job at some Madison Avenue Ad Agency (Bewitched) or been an international trouble-shooter (Danger Man) or at least an Architect (My Three Sons). Boy, was I in for an eye-opener. Sigh.
SeeDavid
118 posts
Jan 01, 2009
11:22 PM
TL: Terry, I was partially correct when I said there was a Red Barn building on N. Main Street. It was not the one you were referring to, I believe. Tonight we drove up Main Street to prove to ME that DAVE was right, and that there was not a Red Barn Hamburger building there. There was actually an 'old' RED BARN hamburger building there, however, S.of the Loew's-Ames Theatre's former site. It is on the E.Side of the Rd close to town. It is now a business called the Burger Meister, but the lights were off and we couldn't see if it was still open. This was not the Red Barn that was rented out for parties. Forget the stuff about Dayton Ed. Assn. Now, the Red Barn for Parties is what I think Becky was referring to and what you may have meant: formerly Wampler's Barn on Shiloh Springs Rd. W. of Main Street. It also became Mummaw's Farm store. It has since been closed and has some type of business running out of it. (Hara Arena/old Wampler's Ballarina is a bit across the street). I am sorry that Dave 'told' me to misinform you. I am sorry that I misunderstood which barn you were referring to;ask your friend and she will know. ~c
Bill68: Sense of syle, forgot to tell you that you must have had one, and still do. Oh, yes, Dave does, too. ~cindi

Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2009 11:53 PM
Becky73
61 posts
Jan 02, 2009
10:42 AM
Ahh... now I am less cornfused. Yes, Red Barn on Main was a hamburger place that I never cared for. I used to like Burger King which was closer to the Lowes theater. Long gone I am sure. And I could be wrong, but I think the Wamplers Ballerina was a building behind the Mummaw's fruit farm store. They may have shared a driveway or something. Yeah, that place was the scene of major teenage angst.

And Bill - your wifes mutterings about OCD is a distinct possibility. After all, she lives with you. I just think you would probably look great at a costume party, a 60's movie retrospective, or as I said before - an episode of TLC's What's Not to Wear. I am kidding you know. I will admit to buying a leather beaded hippie vest with fringe at an antique store because I so wanted one as a pre-teen. I thought one of my girls could wear it as a costume, but I could never talk them into it. It was always too small for me.
corvettes6
21 posts
Jan 02, 2009
5:53 PM
I think that there is some confusion going on. There was a Red Barn eating place in the 1000 block of N.Main St. There was a barn on Wamplers property where teen dances were held before the complex known as Hara was built. The barn was on the south side of the road. There also was a smaller building across the street within a block of the Ames Theatre that had teen dances. I think it was torn down and a furniture store was built on the site. That may be gone now I have not been out their for years. There was also another place further out N. Main St maybe at Shiloh Springs Rd that had higher class dances for more formal parties. I can remember going their for Wedding Receptions
tlturbo
69 posts
Jan 02, 2009
6:27 PM
What I was talking about was a place that you could rent for office Christmas parties, etc and it was on the same side of N Main as Parkmore at Forest Park but closer in toward town. I also thought it was somewhat across the street from the theater that Cindy said was the Loews. At least back then, it WASN'T a hamburger place.
Becky73
62 posts
Jan 02, 2009
8:00 PM
Hey tturbo, was the place you were thinking of rather small with a sloping parking lot? It was more house like than ballroom like. I think I was in it, taking dancing lessons before they threw us into the place behind Mummaws. And yes, this place I am thinking of was on the same side of the street as Parkmoor across from the Northtown shopping center, a little north of Lowes. I have no clue what else it was used for. I think the dancing instructor rented it for giving lessons. Cindi, I doubt the place is still there or able to be separated from any other building that still stands from that time period if you get my drift. Wow - this all makes me realize how fuzzy some memories are vs. others.
SeeDavid
121 posts
Jan 03, 2009
12:01 AM
Terry (TLturbo): Ask a friend: Becky just mentioned a dance studio on N. Main where she took dance lessons. Possibly the same place the Hyatt sister ran? Could this be the elusive party haven?
Corvette6: I think you have it. ~c
maxed out
66 posts
Jan 03, 2009
8:54 AM
Speaking of the Red Barn hamburger joint there was one in Xenia. I remember the big burger was called the Barn Buster. It wasn't on a bun but something like a big grilled toast. Maybe. When I worked for DPL I used to go to the Burger Chef on North Main St. I liked it because you could get a plain burger then they had a burger bar and you cound put on whatever you wanted.
Bill68
27 posts
Jan 03, 2009
1:15 PM
Well, the post mentioning Northtown Shopping Center has triggered some memories. Around 1957 through 1960 or so, my Mom did her shopping at the A&P (Atlantic & Pacific) Store there. They had elevator type music and I can remember some cereal boxes that had flicker cards as a prize on the outside, but someone had torn them off and later on the Cereal companies (Crackerjacks always had them in the inside) had to put them inside the boxes. I got one with a little Indian (cartoon Hiawatha?) paddling a canoe. They had 3 foot or 5 foot or 10 foot (seemed that tall to me at the time) red mesh Christmas Stockings filled with candy, but I never got one. I found one like that on the internet for $150 but it had modern toys and no candy in it. Rats. They sold Ann Page pies at the A&P. We, maybe once a month, ate at the Kresge's in the corner of the shopping center and ever so often, I was allowed to have a banana split. They had a comic book rack where I could read the comics (10 cents at the time) without having to buy them and they had a rack of colorful $.59 Whitman Juvenile books such as Black Beauty, Tom Sawyer and Robinson Crusoe. One of my absolute earliest memories is sitting on my Dad's lap at the stock car races at Frankie's Forest Park with my Dad's hands over my ears as the cars were so loud they hurt my ears. Must have been 1953 or 1954. That is probably the reason my hearing hasn't been so good the last couple of years. There was a wooden roller coaster at Frankie's that I wanted to ride, but never did. I bought clothes at the J.C. Penney's (also there was a W.T. Grants and maybe a Murphy's store and maybe a Beerman's) there in Forest park around 1965. I picked strawberries at Mumma's for maybe $.10 a quart to get $5.73 or so to buy a pair of sharkskin pants. Had to walk 4 or 5 miles each way to get that done. Probably the reason my legs have been hurting the last couple of years. Had to work in the bright sunlight picking those lousy strawberries. Probably why my eyesight has been going downhill the last couple of years.
cris
1 post
Jan 03, 2009
7:05 PM
Bill68 We must have crossed paths doing that route from rikes mayors mcorys( i still remember that smell)and wasnt there some downstairs hip clothing shop? We would all meet at a friends house.. iron our hair and head "downtown"
Becky73
63 posts
Jan 03, 2009
7:06 PM
Oh, Bill, methinks you may have partaken of some of that 60's style smokin' in the boys room. Maybe that might be why things aren't working so well nowadays. I too remember the lunch counter in Kreskees ( sp?) and having milkshakes there. I think one time I even had a sandwich there which was a real treat since my Mom said we had perfectly good food at home right down the hill. Murphys was on the other end of the plaza. JC Penneys in the middle. Elder Beerman was across the road at Northtown. I shopped at all of them. Eventually, there was a Liberal supermarket on one end and a Krogers on the other end of Forest Park and then there were none.

Oh, Pizza update. I just had another deluxe pizza from Cassanos. Visited my daughter and son in law in Springboro and talked my husband into getting me one. Loved it!
Bill68
29 posts
Jan 03, 2009
7:55 PM
Cris, YES, I had forgotten about taking the narrow escalator downstairs at McCrory's to their Mod clothing (discount?) shop. That escalator was about in the middle of the store with the lunch counter on the left as you came in on the Arcade side. They had strings of balloons with slips of paper in them with prices from 1 cent to 39 cents for banana splits. You chose a balloon and the waitress popped it and you paid what was in the balloon. I got a 1 cent one once, but most of the time they were 37 cents. I suspect the smell in that store was of the caramel popcorn they made in a big machine there. What I really loved was the heavy, close smell of buttered popcorn in the theaters, especially the Victory. The Arcade had a bunch of smells ranging from fresh doughnuts (what was the name of the kiosk with the glazed doughnuts? It was to the left in the main aisle as you walked through from 3rd street toward 4th street) to the smells of the old pharmacy in the middle to the fish market. Does anyone have a picture of the inside of the Arcade in those days? I went from Mayor's to Rike's to Elder-Beerman's to Sears chatting up every girl I could. Met a girl from Wilbur Wright named Patsy who had a twin named Peggy. Met several blondes from Huber Heights. I thought they all had to have blonde hair to live in Huber Heights in those days. That was about the time I found out about peroxide and lightened my own hair for the Beach Boy look. Kresge's downtown was a block south of McCrory's and had a smell of its own, again I suspect, of popcorn. They had columns in the middle of the store that were covered with mirrors and it all had an Art Deco look about it from the 1930s. There was a staircase along the left hand side of the store, but I can't remember what was down there as I just went to the lunch counter which stretched along the right hand side of the main floor. Seems to me they had some clothes for teenagers in racks at the back of the main floor past the lunch counter. The Rike's mezzanine was a great place to meet kids from other schools, but I seem to remember them having to put in a security guard to control the great numbers of kids showing up. There was a cafeteria on the 4th or 5th floor, but you could get fast food (pizza? subs?) somewhere on the mezzanine. There was also some draw to the Wilke's News store across from the RKO Keith theater. Someone in a previous post mentioned how dead it is now in Downtown Dayton. Well, yeah. Shut down Rike's, Beerman's, Mayor's, Wilke's, Kresge's, Sears, McCrory's, Simple Simon's, and the Arcade and suddenly there is zero reason for the hundreds of kids from the suburbs to go downtown. Around 1966 or 1967, my friends and I started going to the Salem Mall which was a decent place in those days. I was in my twenties and married when Dayton Mall came in so I never went there to meet anyone. Where do kids go now? Internet?
SeeDavid
122 posts
Jan 03, 2009
9:16 PM
Bill68: Hi, just a request from me, Cindi. Would you please have your Doctor wife look at some of our posts and determine if some of us are pre-disposed for Alzheimer's? I am getting worried, Red Barn, NO Red Barn, Red Wampler Farm Barn, Dance Hall Barn...please let me know. Went by N. Main today and there is a RED BARN HAMBURGER BUILDING (not operational Red Barn business, but Buger Meister) there. I saw it, and I ate at it when I was a kid. Why on earth does this matter to me? You all know I don't drive...send me to a Parkmoor, (non existant anymore), or at least let it be known that there is an Actual NEW Frisch's on Benchwood Rd./Miller Lane. It is decorated in the fifties art deco all of us seem to enjoy and they have BIG BOYS THERE!!! They are incredible!

Bill: Elder Beerman's McCook's .. remember that they had "less expensive" clothing than the other Elder Beerman's?

Becky has a point to be made to all of us. Hemp is a product that should have only been used as rope or to make bridges on the River Kwai (Baby Boomers vs Alzheimer's...you guys be the judge). I hope those kids don't goofle hemp. There! Another movie thrown in for you and a just say no disclaimer! Still searching for our pasts....~c

Last Edited by on Jan 03, 2009 9:30 PM
Bill68
30 posts
Jan 04, 2009
5:37 AM
Someone mentioned MOVIES seen in Dayton. Here's my remembered favorite list (seen mostly at the Victory, Colonial, Keith, Dabel, Dixie and North Star Drive-Ins): 1965 - Ipcress File, Battle of the Bulge, Beach Blanket Bingo, Cat Ballou, THE CINCINNATI KID, Dr. Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine, The Great Race, How To Murder Your Wife, How To Stuff A Wild Bikini, John Goldfarb Please Come Home, Knack...And How to Get It, Pop Gear, A Study In Terror, Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines, Thunderball, Winter A Go-Go.
1966: Alfie, Batman The Movie, THE BLUE MAX, Dead Heat On A Merry-Go-Round, Fantastic Voyage, The Fortune Cookie, Funeral In Berlin, FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM, Gambit, Georgy Girl, Ghost and Mr. Chicken, Ghost In The Invisible Bikini, Glass Bottom Boat, Lord Love A Duck, Modesty Blaise, Murderer's Row, One Million Years BC, Our Man Flint, The Quiller Memorandum, Sand Pebbles, The Silencers, Texas Across The River, Way...Way Out, WILD WILD WINTER, HHSJKERhjgweimmgggggggggggg..... OK, enough of this. This is Bill's wife, Lynda. I quietly slipped something in his coffee to sedate him a few minutes ago and he is tractable now. I'll sign him off.
Bill68
31 posts
Jan 04, 2009
6:06 AM
HA! Fooled HER. I gave that drink to the dog and now HE'S tractable. 1967: The Ambushers, Billion Dollar Brain, Bonnie and Clyde, Born Losers, Camelot, Casino Royale, Cool Hand Luke, THE DIRTY DOZEN, Don't Make Waves, FATHOM, Flim-Flam Man, Good Times with Sonny and Cher, A Guide For The Married Man, HERE WE GO ROUND THE MULBERRY BUSH, Hour Of The Gun, IN LIKE FLINT, The Love-Ins, St. Valentine's Day Massacre, To Sir With Love, Up The Down Staircase, Waterhole #3, You Only Live Twice, kkl;j';wejtpqhj'g'jjjjjjjjjj
OK, this is Lynda again. Fooled me, did he? Well, he wasn't prepared for the old syringe in the back of the neck trick. He'll be off this computer for several hours, guaranteed. No other way to handle him when he gets on the subject of the 60s in Dayton.
Keugene48
18 posts
Jan 04, 2009
2:36 PM
Nice to meet you Lynda, loved your posts. Maybe if you asked nicely you could post without your husband being sedated.
A movie memory: Our English teacher at Roth HS, Mr. Lemon, was talked into a field trip to watch Gone With The Wind at the Victory. I forget how we justified it, it made halfway sense at the time. All of the girls sat together in a long row and at one point someone pulled out a kleenex box and passed kleenexes down the row to sobbing teenage girls. I was born and raised in Ohio and never knew what the Civil War meant to the South until I saw that movie.

Last Edited by on Jan 04, 2009 2:37 PM
Bill68
32 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:07 PM
I thought I had inadvertently nodded off to sleep, but upon reading my last post, apparently not. Cindi, yes the Beerman's at McCook's had less expensive clothes and when the Northtown one moved to Siebenthaler, they had the more expensive clothes. Don't know if McCook's had different lines or if it acted as an outlet selling returns or picked overs or odd sizes or seconds or what.
I remember the movies because I worked at the Drive-In and I've been collecting 60s movies for many years now. I have all the ones I mentioned above and lots more. I also have some fairly rare ones from England with Herman's Hermits, Spencer Davis Group, Gerry and the Pacemakers, etc. Don't know how many of those groups actually appeared in Dayton.
SeeDavid
123 posts
Jan 04, 2009
10:18 PM
Didn't "Beermans" McCook smell different than the other "Beermans"? It was kind of like the KMart smell...It wasn't popcorn, it wasn't those subs that KMart used to sell, but I think the smell of starched loosely woven fabrics on the clothing...doesn't KMart srill have that smell? I think my Dad would say the word "Chinzy".. I don't know how to spell it, only in OHIO DICTIONARY with WARSH, CRAYNS, FEESH, RUFF...Max can expound. Did anyone's parent's say the word DREXEL in a not so lovable term? My room always looked like DREXEL when I was a teenager (according to my Mom, anyway). Oh no, it doesn't mean I FEEL THAT WAY, guys!, ps.

The SHED, TIMOTHY's ...night life at UD area. Wasn't it fun to mingle with the students from UD's "Ghetto"...I only use that term because it is still called that by many Daytonians (they even say it on the NEWS!) and I would like to know if any of you refer to UD Student Housing as that and other "localisms" we may have. I loved the Frisch's there, in the 60's and early 70's they had so many intriquing places down there. Does anyone remember the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR READING ROOM? It was on Brown St., and I remember ducking into that place when my friends were meeting up with "unsavory" people. (It was my opinion that they were...just didn't want to get into a jam!)
TLTURBO and MAX: Weren't you guys down there all the time, too? There was a car place near there and Ray Bryant Chevy. (trying to bring you back to post).
ALLEN: Villa Kids~tell me their nick names.. remember that I live a half mile away...trying to make you say it, and all the car guys know it too, 'cause I was raised by Rip Rap Raceway...Who can say it the fastest?
I am putting my money on corvettes6. Just a gander.
Bill68, Becky,Keugene, about bands: I saw the Herms and I remember too many at HARA...would bore you all, also UD and the regular arenas/colleges. Fond memories, and a smell I can't quite put my finger on. STEPPENWOLF was the worst concert I ever saw, and I spent most of my money on concerts!!! BORN TO BE WILD..worst song in the HISTORY of DAYTON or the WORLD. (only my opinion, I am sure you car guys will disagree, and motorcycle guys as well). Dave is the one who posted the Easy Rider thing, not me.
Many concerts at MEMORIAL HALL,too, and some fabulous KENLEY PLAYERS shows down there. Go to any Marion's Pizza and you will see everybody that ever was in a play at Memorial Hall (Kenley Circuit Summer Stock) on the wall in an 8x10 b/w glossy. A visit back in time, for sure.
Bill68: Curt has a book all about the Arcade, it is a lovely spread on all eras of the ARCADE, photos inclusive. You can go to ask a ? and go to the store and buy one...the $ goes to an effort to save the beautiful Arcade. It is well worth it! All of us need this to pass on to our kids, and we also need to support this site.
Curt: Thank you for the autograph. ~Cindi

Last Edited by on Jan 05, 2009 7:07 AM
Donald Tyrone Adams
5 posts
Jan 04, 2009
11:48 PM
Cindi: Are you referring to the area way out on West Third St. called Drexel? If so, I think that is the first mention of Drexel on this thread, that I can remember. It's ironic that I would travel from Kettering to Drexel to find the girl of my dreams. That was 48 years ago, and she still is. A cute little "Briar" (or "Briar Hopper"), as Daytonians called people from Kentucky then, and maybe now. I also spent a lot of time on Brown St., mostly at the Hickory Bar-be-Que. Partly because the food was great, but mostly because Joe Kiss (the owner) had race horses and there was a lot of horse people that came in there, as was I. In the 60s, into the early 70s there was very few bars in Dayton that I wasn't in at some time.
tlturbo
70 posts
Jan 05, 2009
5:48 AM
OK, Cindi
As I said before, I worked as a computer operator for McCalls Info systems MISCO (Vicki's mom got me that job) from around 67-69 and our computer center was on UD campus (THAT had it's perks for a 20year old). One of the other operators that we hung with had the black hurst with the dummy on a stretcher in the back. We ate at that Frisches on the corner a LOT (what streets were those?). Another favorite place was the Italian restaurant across (Main ST?) from the fairgrounds entrance. I thinj it is still there. We worked the 4-midnight shift and would go there for dinner so we could watch the UD Flyers on TV. As mentioned in other posts, I had a friend who worked at Ray Bryant and that's where I had all my corvette work done. I also spent lots of evenings (one night had beer specials) at Timothy's and occasionally the Shed. I can close my eyes and still picture the inside layout of those places. We would also go bowling after work abound midnight at the bowling alley there. Wasn't there an Arby's across the street from the bowling alley?
So yes, I spent a lot of time down in that area. I left MISCO for a programmer job at E F McDonald on Ludlow.
SeeDavid
124 posts
Jan 05, 2009
6:58 AM
Let me start at the bottom and work my way up:
Terry: The locale of the Frisch's UD (and coffee shop poetry beatnik place in the basement) was on Stewart St. just East of Brown St. on the S. side of the road. Italian restaurant on Main X Fairgrounds: DOMINIC'S. Look in previous posts, it was torn down and stuff auctioned off and property sold to Miami Valley Hospital. You can still buy the GARLIC dressing at Dorothy Lane Market.. try the internet, they may ship all you "out of towners"...I am too young to know about the Arby's. (right)
JOHNC: Old Hickory on Brown, YES, great ribs, still! The same ribs, tenderloins, dressing, etc. are served at the RIB HOUSE in Vandalia. Guy who is half owner's Dad ran the place on Brown and now his Mom still makes the homemade stuff in Vandalia. I am only endorsing it, not paid to do so, just love the place. (closer to airport, out of towner's).
Now, JOHN and DONALD: about the "Briars"...most of us here in Dayton are transplants (me, 2nd Gen) from KY, TENN;
(Dave, straight up I75 at 6 years old!), or other Mountainous regions in the south.
DREXEL Did have it's share of same. (DAVE QUOTE: "Still little Appalachia, hodge podge of a lot of different ethnic groups who now call it "home"). Yes, it still looks like my teenage bedroom if anyone is curious.

It is said to be that when you move from the Mountains, be it Kentucky, Tennessee, or wherever (leave out the Rockies) and move to Dayton, you transfer into: HILL WILLIAMSES, as opposed to HILL BILLIES.
he he .. We have all said briar, heard briar, and maybe ARE briars anyway. (tee hee roar) "DREXELITES" is also a known moniker. My Mom was a former member and now we know Donald's wife was, too. Good place to earn your stripes, IMHO as Allen says. Sweet memories of life ~C

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SeeDavid
125 posts
Jan 05, 2009
7:44 AM
DOESN'T ANYONE remember that poor stuffed dog that was forever laying by the fireplace at the SHED? Oh, man, even Frank Zappa felt weird about that dog. I still have nightmares. ~C
Bill68: Elder Beerman's had FIVE stores in N.& W.Dayton at the time. McCook's-Keowee, Northtown- N. Main St., and Northwest-Siebenthaler and Philly Dr. (still there)and also Trotwood - Free Pike/continuation of Siebenthaler, and Keugene remembers the one in Westtown on 3rd. St. across from the V.A./ W. of Gettysburg. (Remember the ball park at the VA backed up to Third Street?) Perhaps when they closed Northtown they did move their inventory to NW, but it was also there, then, nonetheless. That's how I remember it. ~C

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Keugene48
19 posts
Jan 05, 2009
7:47 AM
Drexel- now you are in my side of my chilhood Dayton. My best friend lived in Drexel and we used to watch out her bedroom window at the kids loading people into their car trunks before going to the Sherwood Twin drive in... Beal's ( I think that was how it was spelled) had wonderful thick malts & shakes.
My mom worked at Westown Elder Beerman's and brought home hula hoops when they first came out...
Bill: which drive in did you work at? I worked for a summer at one near Eaton before it turned to porn movies. I remember Planet of the Apes and Bonnie & Clyde and the song Honey played several times every night. We turned the fan around when we popped popcorn so the smell would go out into the air.
SeeDavid
126 posts
Jan 05, 2009
8:05 AM
Keugene: I remember being at the Drive In and watching kids climb out of trunks like clowns out of a VW at the circus! (chuckle, with fond memory and awe).
Everytime HONEY by Bobby Goldsboro comes on oldies radio, Dave immediately turns it OFF! But, I still miss her, and I long to hear her, if only I could. HA.~c
JohnC
56 posts
Jan 05, 2009
8:17 AM
My mother's side of the family are all from Tennesee, and mom used to say they were "ridge runners". Not sure where that came from. Anyone else ever hear that term before?

Another observation from my recent visit back to Dayton: I was surprised to see hardly any of the old NCR buildings remain. There is a large area of new construction just as you get out of Oakwood that backs up to the old NCR Sugar Camp. Someone said it is going to be a planned community of some kind.

Anyone remember the name of the theatre that used to be in Oakwood by the Oakwood Club? It's long gone and darned if I can remember the name.

I do remember the stuffed dog at "The Shed". I work for a British company now and travel to the UK quite often. When you go in the pubs over there, there is almost always a dog by the fireplace. The difference is they are LIVE dogs, not stuffed ones. You have to be careful not to trip over them when you're throwing darts...

All you theatre and movie buffs: Remember when the Dabel used to show films like "Grand Prix" and "Planet of the Apes in "Cinerama"-true 70mm wrap around screen? I was just a kid when I saw "Grand Prix" there with James Garner (1968?) Blew my little mind...POTA was very cool there also.

On the subject of Kmart-all of them in Texas have closed. The closest one I know of is in Wichita, KS and it's a real DUMP. Makes Walmart look like Macy's. Smells bad and looks like a rummage sale with crap stacked everywhere. Big change from when I worked the graveyard shift at Kmart in Centerville about 1976. The store was always spotless and the aisles were always kept neat and claen.

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Becky73
65 posts
Jan 05, 2009
8:17 AM
Oh, my gosh. You guys are so out of my league. What wonderful memories. I think I am beginning to realize what a sheltered childhood I had. ( Had heart surgery in 1959. Mom was pretty protective.) Other than the Elder Beermans, I have no idea where most of those places are. Now, I have a feeling I am going to end up at the Old Hickory for ribs one of these days. Have to see if they rival Montgomery Inn ( the rib place my kids will remember ) in Cincinnati.

Oh, I remember my Mother using the term Briar Hopper but not in reference to anyone I knew in Dayton. And although I have heard of Drexel, I think it was only in reference to the drive-in. ( We still have two operating drive-ins in the Greater Cincinnati area.) Any drive-ins in Dayton still showing movies?
tlturbo
71 posts
Jan 05, 2009
8:30 AM
John,
I have a funny memory about seeing Grand Prix (think it was that show) at the Dabel. As you all have read, I had a real fancy painted gold 69 vette so I was very sensitive about where I parked it. The parking lot for the Dabel was across Smithville but the lot was full so I parked on the end right where you turned in from the street. Evidently I was pretty much on the sidewalk. (SO??) Anyway, about 15 minutes after the show started a voice came over the intercom in the theater (The people there knew me and my car) and said "Terry, the police said if you don't come move your Corvette off the sidewalk, they are going to tow it.". Well as I stood up to go out to move it, EVERY EYE in the theater was on the idiot that parked on the sidewalk. I think my date was a tad embarrassed.
JohnC
57 posts
Jan 05, 2009
8:38 AM
tlturbo-

Seems like everyone has a Dabel parking experience. I was parked one night in the lot across the street and came out after watching George C. Scott in "The Hindenburg" and finding my car on blocks. One of the kids at the theatre said he called the cops (saw it happening) and it took them over half an hour to get there. It must have been a long way from the nearest Dunkin Donuts...
SeeDavid
127 posts
Jan 05, 2009
9:10 AM
I need to talk about some of this stuff.
First, none of us work, do we? We all know I have no life, except the View, the Dogs and my Grandkids and sneaking in here behind Dave's back to check on my buddies. This is so fun!
JohnC: Tennessee people are called Ridge Runners because of the Ridges on the mountains from the coal mines and where they built the roads. (Visit the Cumberland Gap, aka:Daniel Boone Pkwy.). You will then know wht they call TN people that. (makes me dizzy thinking about the drive.) Little Abner was a good comic strip.
Becky, you and I need to eat at the Old Hickory when you come up.. mmmmmm. You didn't sneak down to mingle with the UD hippies in high school? I fit right in.
Terry & John: I saw Billy Jack at the Dabel, wish I had seen a Vette. ~Cindi

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Becky73
66 posts
Jan 05, 2009
9:53 AM
OH, my GOSH SeeDavid!!!!! How did you KNOW????? I actually went to UD during my Senior year of high school. It was called Project Advancement. I went to high school a half day and took two college courses. Well, apparently I fit in enough that no one knew unless I told them. Thing is, I looked more preppy than hippie at that particular moment in life and I attracted Frat guys who wanted to "borrow" my class notes since they were always hungover in class. One guy was a rugby player who was preppy with a bar brawl edge because of the rugby bruises. UMMM... perfect. Didn't go far, he just liked me for my brain. Ha!
bigbob
66 posts
Jan 05, 2009
9:57 AM
Living in Trotwood in the late 60's and early 70's I had friends from Townview and we would go to Drexel every now and then. Most of the kids from Drexel and Townview were considered Hoods and greasers in Trotwood at that time. The Drexel kids loved to pick fights with the kids from Trotwood. You would not believe it but there were gangs back then. I would still rather live there then than now.
JohnC
58 posts
Jan 05, 2009
12:36 PM
Cindi and Becky-

Some of us do still work. It may not seem that way because when I get bored at my desk, I either blog or surf the 'net. I'm headed for England next month for work as a matter of fact. No rest for the weary...

I went to UD for three years and don't remember any high schoolers hanging about. Then again, I was trying to graduate and get the heck out, so I didn't hang much in the local bars and such. Fridays and Saturdays were the exception. I could be found at the Shed listening to Bramble and cramming for exams. Unless the youngsters hung out on campus at WVUD, I probably never came into contact with them.

With regard to the UD ghetto, my father in law owned a dozen or so houses down in the UD ghetto until it just got too expensive (and labor intensive) to keep them up. College kids (especially frat rats and sorrority queens) were always rough on the houses.

My dad grew up in Trotwood and used to tell me stories about mixing it up with the punks from Drexel on the weekends. The stories always ended the same way...

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SeeDavid
129 posts
Jan 05, 2009
1:08 PM
JohnC: I knew you all worked...Becky works, too. I was trying to bash myself for finding it so interesting to check in on our past. Just talking about me, and glad you all are still working. I miss it. Loved WVUD... those DJ's had the most soothing voices..was it the FM or the tone of "University" that we just loved? Tell those across the "pond" hi from O Hi O .. and tonight: "GO BUCKEYES" .
John, I didn't "hang out" in bars or drink in high school...just "visited them" and liked to dance. This is true, ask.. I do not drink and never did. Took some of those classes that Becky took, though. Now I couldn't afford a pencil from UD. ~C

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JohnC
59 posts
Jan 05, 2009
5:06 PM
Cindi-

Sorry, didn't mean that in a derogatory way. For guys like me who can't dance, there's usually only one reason (well, maybe two) to be in the bars if you're a collge student. I wasn't a DJ at WVUD-I was a techie. I ran and worked on sound equipment. It's a guy thing. As far as the Brits, since their idea of football is something called futbol (soccer or rugby), they likely wouldn't get the Buckeyes reference. I always remember to send everyone at our factory in England a card or e-mail wishing them a happy July 4th. They do understand that even if they don't quite fully appreciate yank humor.BTW-did you catch my earlier post-Dan Patrick on ESPN used to be a jock at WVUD. His real name is Dan Pugh. His brothers worked at WVUD, too back in the 70's-80's, although they never hit "the big time" like Dan. I'm sure they're schlepping away at "regular" jobs these days. Like me...
Becky73
67 posts
Jan 05, 2009
6:23 PM
Well, while we are asking for things from the world traveler.... you can bring me back some tea from the Buckingham Palace gift shop. My daughter spent a semester in London, visited on the last day they were open before the Queen returned and bought me the best tea I have ever tasted!

OK - interesting that kids from Trotwood thought kids from Drexel were hoods and thugs. Many of the kids from Meadowdale thought the kids from "Trotweed" were hoods. A good friend of mine my Senior year was force transferred from Trotwood when it was discovered that her parents had moved a few feet out of district. Her brother, who was obnoxious, had already graduated and she was so upset that her diploma would say Meadowdale. Best nursing home my Father was ever in had a Trotwood address on Shiloh Springs.
bigbob
67 posts
Jan 06, 2009
4:36 AM
JohnC When and where did your dad live in Trotwood. Becky73, I guess there were some hoods in Trotwood, but as i remember they all moved from Drexel or Townview to upgrade from them areas. Drexel was not the prefered place to live back then or Townview. Most kids grew up there by not there choice and were proud to be able to move to Trotwood..
Becky73
68 posts
Jan 06, 2009
6:36 AM
Buckeyes went flat in the third quarter and Wells was sitting on the sideline for reasons I must have missed. Enuf said.

Oh, darn. Was hoping for some of that tea! ;+) You don't have rub elbows with royalty to get it - just go to the gift shop. Sir Paul is a whole other thing and I too would be happy to rub elbows with him!

OK now, this is going to show my lack of travel experience in my own hometown, but just WHERE is Drexel? Just because I've heard of it, doesn't mean I know where it is. I only had favorable impressions of Trotwood during the 70's. Hung out with another guy from there. Good times.
SeeDavid
132 posts
Jan 06, 2009
6:57 AM
I did not watch the Bucks you guys, so it is not my fault.
Becky: Directions to Drexel: Take W. Third passed the Veterans Administration, go about 1-1/2 miles W., continue on.. wha lah, you are in heart of Downtown Drexel. Housing and businesses on both sides ... it used to be Madison Twp. on the rt., Jefferson Twp. on the left. Now the Madison is no more and IS IN FACT Trotwood. So, now all you Trotwoodians are from Drexel, too. (Oh, it's right before you get to New Lebanon, as well, if that helps any). I liked Trotwood, too, still do. Remember, the Salem Mall was there! About the "Trotweed" ref: We here in VanDaLia called our neighbor/school rivals "Engleweed" and "Onion" (Union, but I know you all get the Engleweed). This should go in a book for our kids to carry on.

Car Guys: Trotwood had a Frisch's... ~C

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bigbob
68 posts
Jan 06, 2009
7:27 AM
Trotwood Frisch's. I did a lot of racing out of there, won a lot and lost a few. The Salem Mall was visited alot also. Casano's in the back...
JohnC
61 posts
Jan 06, 2009
8:25 AM
Something y'all in Dayton need to remember: High School and College football are a religion in Texas. It's taken VERY seriously. When you go to apply for a job here, the first question is "Where did you go to school?" Second question "Did you play ball?" (Meaning football). To give you an idea, I live in a small suburb between Dallas and Ft. Worth called Southlake. The high school football stadium here cost almost $20mm dollars about five years ago. That's right-twenty mil for a high school stadium. It's no wonder our property taxes are so high here! They more than make up for the fact Texas does not have a state income tax.
Becky73
69 posts
Jan 06, 2009
10:54 AM
Wow - I had no idea. I knew that cheerleading in Texas could get you a death sentence if you were the Mom of a rival, but to not get a job if you didn't play football? I wonder how my friend from Trotwood ever got his job at Texas Instruments back in the 70's. He was an intellligent engineer with college conservatory of music piano talent. Never played football.

OK, I know generally where Drexal was/is. I have been to the VA but just got back on the highway to come back home. What high school served that area?


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