Max
2 posts
Apr 02, 2008
6:06 AM
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Around 1945 the hobby shop was owned and run by Mrs. Good, an irritable and long-suffering older woman continually pestered by small boys pawing over the inventory. The shop was a couple of blocks south of the Dale Theater on the same side of the street. There was some sort of tropical-theme restaurant there last time I drove by, many years ago.
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Dee65
4 posts
Apr 02, 2008
12:30 PM
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Thanks to copierman, I couldn't remember the name of the Dixie Electric Co...used to go there after getting off work at Eastown Elder-Beerman.
Also, I didn't wear a tie to Carroll but I did have to wear
the old battleship gray, wear like iron polyester skirts.
The length test consisted of kneeling down to make sure your skirt was long enough.
Do you remember Ferdinand and Isabella (the red white and
blue patriot buses?)
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driver62
60 posts
Apr 03, 2008
6:15 AM
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Max - That tropical themed place you mentioned would have to be the "Tropics." I think it was torn down back in the 80's and a pharmacy was built on the land. The pharmacy closed and I believe it's now a day care center.
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RLee79
1 post
Apr 03, 2008
1:37 PM
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JohnC, I believe we grew up in the same neighborhood. All the places you talked about are very familiar to me. I know exactly where you described that fatal crash near the cemetery. I grew up two blocks from there.I also remember hearing the drag races at night from my house. I was a little too young for the racing myself but I knew every cool car that used to run in the neighborhood.
I can't remember the name of the restaurant next to McDonalds on S Dixie acreoss from the old Frigidaire. I think it was angelo's. They used to have some killer subs there.
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BullDug
1 post
Apr 03, 2008
5:15 PM
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I've been lurking for a while and thoroughly enjoying everyone's memories. I couldn't resist adding a few... I grew up in the Fairview area. Some memories: Good Samaritan used to have a front lawn. There was a movie theater across the street from Good Sam, but I can't remember the name - was it Day-Vue? It closed in the early 60s. On icy winter mornings I remember watching the electric buses on Catalpa sparking and sputtering when they went by. My neighborhood had probably 5 drugstores within easy walking distance. Ray's was the one I went to the most. And there was a hat shop at the corner of Fairview & Catalpa that lasted long into the 70s.
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driver62
61 posts
Apr 04, 2008
9:47 AM
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Bulldug - You are right about the movie theater on Salem. It was called the Davue and closed down in 1961.
The hat shop at Catalpa and Fairview was called "Engleberts Hat Shop."
Ray's is still going stong along with "Rinaldos Bakery." Remember the fire station on the corner?
I remember the old front entrance at Good Sam. It was on Fairview when the street use to run all the way to Salem.
I'm in that area a lot as I live just south of Salem and Catalpa.
Last Edited by on Apr 04, 2008 9:50 AM
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driver62
62 posts
Apr 04, 2008
9:53 AM
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Max - I didn't hang out much in the north Main area but the wife and I use to go to the Tropics for dinner every now and then. We also use to go to Suttmillers. We saw Lou Rawls once at Suttmillers.
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JeffN
118 posts
Apr 04, 2008
1:38 PM
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John ... I do remember the Egyptian on Third. I had a friend who had a 429 Mustang Cobra Jet who had his paint done there. I can't believe the place is still there! I drove past it not long ago, but didn't notice. They've really done some work on restoring Third Street havent they?
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BullDug
2 posts
Apr 06, 2008
10:58 AM
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driver -- Thanks for the help remembering. I'm surprised Ray's and Rinaldo's are still there. I no longer live in Dayton, but I remember that corner well. Part of Ray's was originally a Sohio station. And Rinaldo's was originally Owen's Bakery. Belton's Juice company was in the building until around 1970 or so. I don't go this far back, but I understand that the old fire station at that corner was originally Fairview School.
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driver62
64 posts
Apr 06, 2008
4:00 PM
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Not sure about the fire station being Fairview school as the elementary school down towards Good Sam was built many years ago....1920's maybe. The fire station is now a Priority Board office. The city closed it when they built a new fire station at Fairview and Main.
I remember when the front part of Ray's was a Sohio station. It's a beer drive-thru now.
What else do you remember about that area?
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copierman
2 posts
Apr 08, 2008
11:31 AM
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Dee
I remember those two buses and they had alot of miles on them.
The Dixie Electric was a busy place and I could never figure out why they closed it down.
CHS class of 1979
Some great memories from that school
Didn't the different color skirts represent the different grades of students?
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BullDug
3 posts
Apr 08, 2008
2:14 PM
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driver - OK, since you asked :^) more trivia about the Catalpa area...
The same building that houses Ray's had a barber shop next door and (I think) a beauty salon next to that. Used to get haircuts at the barber shop before switching to the barber that was inside Stumps on Salem. (Anybody remember Sandy the barber there? I think his real name was Sandoval and he was from the Philippines)
Further down Catalpa on the other side of the street was a small dry cleaning place. I think Capitol eventually bought them out, but I'm not sure.
Down at the corner of Hillcrest there was another drugstore (was it Bettman's?) that actually had a soda fountain. Next to that was another barber shop.
Around 1965 or so they built a small strip center next to the barber shop that originally had a Lawson's store, a beauty salon and a laundromat. (When they were building this place, I stepped into the wet cement of the foundation while horsing around. So my footprint is in there somewhere...)
Across Hillcrest was Knife's market. I thought the half-size shopping carts they had were cool. I understand Pepito's is there now.
Going back the other way, at Salem & Catalpa there was a Frisch's restaurant. It closed pretty early in the 60's and was eventually replaced by a gas station. I think driver62 said that it's an empty lot now...
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driver62
66 posts
Apr 09, 2008
6:24 AM
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Bulldug - You bring back a lot of memories about the Fairview neighborhood.
The barber shop next to Ray's is still there. It sat empty for years until someone reopened it.
You are correct about the dry cleaning place being bought out by Capitol. It was run by an elderly couple who finally shut it down as they got tired of being robbed. After sitting empty many years, another barber shop opened in the building but it closed down after a few months. The building is still empty.
I don't remember a drugstore at Hillcrest and Catalpa. The place was a upholstering(sp) place for a long time. It's empty now. I don't think it was Bettman's as they were in Miracle Lane shopping center on Salem for as long as I can remember.
I remember Lawson's. They had great deli meat. The little strip mall was remodeled and now has a beauty shop there. They may be a tax service there also.
I do remember Knife's and you are correct, it's Pepitos now.
Frisch's at Salem and Catalpa was before I moved to Dayton. The southwest corner was where Stoney's Marathon was located. It's an auto repair place now.
The northwest corner was an industrial uniform place at one time. Cintas comes to mind. After sitting empty, it was bought by Troutman Enterprises. After they left, it sat empty until the city tore it down.
The northeast corner had a few small shops on it. I remember a donut shop being there. After that, it was a BP station for many years. It's an empty lot now.
The southeast corner had a Famous Recipe chicken place for years. They shut down several years ago and the building was torn down. It's another empty lot.
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rainebowlady
4 posts
Apr 09, 2008
9:11 AM
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When I was sixteen I could purchase 3.2 beer. Had never drank until then. Drove to Xenia, drank the six pack and will never forget that. Michigan was 16 legal age also.
Still waiting to hear if anyone grew up in the Victory apts. on San Rae Drive. I need photos from the 1950's and also memories.
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The Ridge
1 post
Apr 09, 2008
9:57 AM
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Speaking of Lawson's, I still love their commercial:
Roll on, Big O.
Get that juice up to Lawson’s in 40 hours.
Well, the oranges ripen in the Florida sun.
Sweet on the tree they stay.
Then they pick ‘em and they squeeze ‘em just as quick as you please.
And the Big O leaves the same day.
Roll on, Big O.
Get that juice up to Lawson’s in 40 hours.
Well one man sleeps while the other man drives on the nonstop Lawson’s run.
And the sweet sweet juice in that tank truck caboose stays as fresh as the Florida sun.
Roll on, Big O.
Get that juice up to Lawson’s in 40 hours.
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kaisermom
6 posts
Apr 09, 2008
10:17 AM
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So, I went home to Dayton for a day visit yesterday, and my Mom took me around to the places we lived when I was young there. We started out at the little Gale apartment house on Ryburn Avenue, then over to Queens Avenue, then to Gettysburg Avenue, before we moved to Huber Heights in 1972. How sad to see that all those places are now in bad neighborhoods, when they used to be so quaint and innocent. Sigh, and so much of Dayton abandoned and gone or just ruined. What I wouldn't give to see it thriving and alive like it once was. What the heck happened to my hometown?
We also drove Hickorydale Elementary where I went to Kindergarten and first grade. It looks like it was bombed out! Are they just tearing the whole thing down? I was so thankful to go there on that day and see it one last time, for I'm sure I will never look upon that building again. How sad.
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driver62
67 posts
Apr 09, 2008
11:24 AM
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Rainebowlady - Are you sure you didn't mean you purchased 3.2 beer at age 18? That was the legal age back in the 50's. I never heard of buying beer at age 16 and I've been living in Ohio since the early 40's.
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driver62
68 posts
Apr 09, 2008
11:36 AM
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Kaisermom - What happened to Dayton is the same as many other industrial cities. The jobs left and many parts of town fell into disrepair. The population when I moved here in 1972 was around 220,000, I think. It's now a little over 160,000.
As for the school, a tax levy was passed several years ago to build new schools so many of the old ones are being torn down. New schools will be built on some of the sites and some sites will remain empty as school enrollment has dropped along with the population.
I agree the city has gone downhill a lot but that's what happens when the jobs leave. Sad but true.
Last Edited by on Apr 09, 2008 11:37 AM
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JeffN
120 posts
Apr 09, 2008
11:53 AM
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It is sad. As I've posted before, it almost seems my little neighborhood has undergone an uptick the past few years. the houses look to be in beter shape, like they're being taken care of. Five-10 years ago, it looked like they were heading downhill fast.
How is Huber Heights these days Kasiermom? I haven't been over that way in quite some time.
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copierman
3 posts
Apr 09, 2008
12:22 PM
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Jeff,
Were they class of 1979 Carroll?
I remmeber going to Jimbo's with my parents and grandparents and eating then playing indoor miniature golf.
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rainebowlady
5 posts
Apr 09, 2008
3:11 PM
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driver62 - nope. It was 16 for 3.2 beer in 1968. By 18 I had already left and moved to Kansas City.
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JeffN
122 posts
Apr 11, 2008
10:41 AM
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Copierman ... the Carroll folks were from the clases of 77-80 mostly. Most of them lived in my neighborhood.
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BullDug
4 posts
Apr 11, 2008
5:00 PM
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Here are some memories of Downtown that you may share...
Heading out of downtown on Main as you crossed the river there used to be a billboard with neon lights that would flash "Mabel - Black Label - Carling Black Label Beer".
Anyone else remember when Elder Beerman was two different stores? Elder's was located on the west side of Main between 4th and 5th (I think). It was a multi-floor department store similar to Rike's but only about 4 floors instead of Rike's 8. They also had Christmas displays but they were inside the store. I can remember a pretty elaborate model train setup.
Beerman's was across Main from Elder's. It had an oval display window on the 2nd floor. That building became the first Elder Beerman's when Elder's closed down. (This was before the EB off Courthouse Square).
Speaking of Rike's, it would be interesting to see what folks can remember about what was on each floor. I can remember jewelry on 1st, toys on 8th, furniture on 7th? Gold Coin on 5th.
Also, do you remember the numeric signs in Rike's that (presumably) the security folks used? Different combinations of numbers would light up. And there would periodically be the "morse code doorbell" sound.
Do they still have "Downtown Dayton Day"? DDD was huge back in the 60s. Large crowds stampeding for bargains.
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madge2oh
1 post
Apr 14, 2008
11:31 AM
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Driver and Bulldug,
I live in the Fairview area now and have been looking for some insight regarding the past. Thank you for your posts. Do you have any other information regarding that area? Do you have any idea why the area with the boundries of Philadelphia, Salem, Catalpa and Hillcrest was called Mount Auburn? Was the majority of the population in that area jewish? Any more insight would be greatly appreciated.
Last Edited by on Apr 14, 2008 2:06 PM
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JohnC
17 posts
Apr 14, 2008
12:32 PM
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What I remember about Rikes downtown:
Books on five. Electronics, records, and TV's on four. Tykes store at Christmas on four. Menswear and women's colognes on one. At one point, they had an indoor newsstand on one and a couple of small sandwich shops. Sporting goods was on eight with the toys. Remember the elaborate Marklin HO scale train layout on eight each year at Christmas time? My mom used to take me to the toy department around Christmas time because that was the only place in Dayton to buy Corgi and Dinky diecast cars from England. They had a big display case like the old Matchbox Car cases. As I remember, it was also the only place in the Dayton area to buy Steiff plush animals from Germany. I used to buy comic books from the newsstand on the first floor. I believe there was also a cafeteria style restaurant on the mezzanine where I ate in the early 80's when I worked downtown for the telephone company. I worked at the 369 W First Street building across the street from the Holiday Inn (which is no longer there). We would walk to Rikes, Beermans or the Arcade every day for lunch.
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BullDug
5 posts
Apr 14, 2008
4:13 PM
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madge - I can't say I've heard the area called Mount Auburn before. It was always just Fairview or Upper Dayton View when I was there. As for the Jewish population, I remember having a good number of Jewish classmates. Of course, the Dayton synagogues are/were close by on Salem. I think they were Temple Israel and Beth Abraham, but my memory may be faulty here.
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BullDug
6 posts
Apr 14, 2008
4:21 PM
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JohnC - I had totally forgotten about the book department and newsstand at Rikes. Thanks for bringing those memories back! I was also a Corgi toy collector. There was at least one more place in town to buy them. I bought most of mine at the small toy shop that was inside Stumps on Salem.
Thinking about shopping also brought back another old memory: tax stamps. Remember when you got these after making a purchase? You could collect them and give them to your school so the school could redeem them for cash. If you Google "Ohio Tax Stamps" there's a site where you can see pictures of them.
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driver62
69 posts
Apr 15, 2008
7:29 AM
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Madge - I don't remember the Fairview area being called Mt. Auburn but I didn't move to Dayton until 1972. The priority board for that area is called Fair River Oaks. It's located in the old fire station at Fairview and Catalpa. I have no idea if that's the official name for the area now.
I live close to Salem and Catalpa and my neighborhod use to be called Upper Dayton View. Now it's called the Dayton View Triangle as the boundaries form a triangle. The area further down Salem towards the river was Lower Dayton View and is now just called Dayton View.
As for days long past, The mini-mart at Hillcrest and Catalpa was a Gulf gas station at one time. Across the street, where Bettman's is now located was either a Marathon or Mobil station. Rite-Aid bought the land and built a pharmacy there. When they built a bigger one at Main and Fairview, they closed the Capalpa store. It sat empty until Bettman's moved there from Miracle Lane. The land at the Main and Fairview store use to have a Cassano's pizza place there.
If you drive Catalpa heading towards Siebenthaler, the area where you leave the Dayton city limits was called Shiloh. Now it's just Harrison Township.
I can think of more things about the neighborhood that have changed but don't want to write a small novel.(lol) I'm sure Bulldug can add lots more as he lived in the area before I did.
Last Edited by on Apr 15, 2008 7:32 AM
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madge2oh
2 posts
Apr 15, 2008
9:42 AM
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Driver thanks!
Were there houses where Rollins / Submarine House and Am Pm Market are now? Are those fairly recent?
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madge2oh
3 posts
Apr 15, 2008
9:46 AM
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Driver.. I don't mind a small novel. I would appreciate any info you can share. I went and talked to Rinaldo this morning. He gave me information that you & bulldug had discussed on this site earlier. He is still going strong!
You can send to my email any information if you don't want to post on the website. My email is mkuzia@woh.rr.com.
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BullDug
7 posts
Apr 15, 2008
4:41 PM
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Driver - Here's one for you...Was Hoot Gibson still around when you moved to Dayton? He used to have a gas station near Salem & Philadelphia. He had a late-50s/early 60s T-Bird that had a huge cowboy hat bolted to the roof. Seeing that thing driving around the neighborhood really was a hoot!
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BullDug
8 posts
Apr 15, 2008
5:46 PM
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madge - I can remember a couple of other things. I'll try to think of more.
At the back of the parking lot on Fairview (next to the FROC board) was a barn-shaped building. That was Dayton View Sheet Metal (at least I think that was the name). It was run by a Mr. Narcter. He installed siding and downspouts. He was still there when I left the neighborhood in the early 80s.
At the southeast corner of Cherry & Catalpa was a 1920s-era phone company building. I'm not sure what you'd call the architectural style, but it was typical of Dayton at the time. Sort of elaborate but not Art Deco. There were really tall windows that you could look thru and actually see the phone switches operating. They had a neighborhood open-house once and I got to tour the building.
Speaking of phones, the old exchange name for the area was "Crestview". So your phone number was something like CR7-1234.
I see that Google has finally obtained decent satellite imagery of the area. For many years all you could see was blur. Now that I can see how blighted the area is, maybe the blur was better. :^(
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Jimmy Z
2 posts
Apr 15, 2008
8:01 PM
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Does any one remember Sisari's Cashba Lounge And Cafeteria? It was at 101 East Stewart, across the street from NCR. It was owned by my cousin Catherine and her husband John Sisari back in the 1950's & 60's. Catherine died of cancer in 1975. John died in 1981. They had an adopted daughter, April. Does anyone know where April is today?
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driver62
70 posts
Apr 16, 2008
5:16 AM
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Madge - The Submarine House has been there as long as I can remember and it's still going strong. They have great subs. The AM-PM market use to be a 7-11, I think. There's been a mini-mart at that location ever since I moved to Dayton.
Bulldug - Yep, I remember Hoot Gibson's station at the corner of Philadelphia and Salem. If I recall correctly, the big hat on the car was red. There's a pharmacy there now, either CVS or Walgreens.
The phone company building is still there and is still in use.
Last Edited by on Apr 16, 2008 5:19 AM
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Martha Hardcastle
3 posts
Apr 16, 2008
4:59 PM
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My dad, a 1927 graduate of Fairview, attended school at the old "Tower," mentioned as later a firehouse and now a priority board center. That's why the yearbook was called "The Tower" and they once had the insignia on their class rings. I have his.
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Martha Hardcastle
4 posts
Apr 16, 2008
5:48 PM
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Bars before my time: The Forum on Siebenthaler and a place called the Green Onion? on Free Pike, perhaps? I did go to The Keyhole a few times.
It was a big dare when I was in high school (Northmont '76, Cornell Heights Class of '72" to go to "The World," a gay bar on Main Street. I did go with friends to Studio One - I think it was the old Suttmillers. The Stage Door must be one of the oldest gay bars in Dayton - wonder what the history of that is? My late associate Ron Guy loved to take straight girls to gay bars. There was one place that was a private club on Salem Avenue north of Fussnecker's. I can't remember exactly where it was.
My friends and I bought alcohol underage at the W&W Carryout on Gettysburg. There was another place where kids got caught all the time over by the Davue Building on Salem . . . The House of Spirits. I would also try to dress "professionally" and a la American Graffiti, I would buy some incidental "adult" items like lighter fluid, etc. and wear my friend Pam Hershey's Rike's badge. I would carry no purse - just a cash envelope like I had just cashed my check at the bank - and buy beer at Rinks. Of course, we had to chill it. I found out after I made my fake ID that all I really had to do was confidently show my ID to a clerk and they never even really read the age - or they didn't care. The penalties were nothing then, and few of us got caught.
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Martha Hardcastle
5 posts
Apr 16, 2008
5:49 PM
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BTW, you can buy Fairview Bulldogs and Meadowdale Lions alumni gear at the Walgreens at Main and Turner. I got a Fairview sweatshirt even though I graduated from Northmont because my daddy was a Bulldog!
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Martha Hardcastle
6 posts
Apr 16, 2008
5:52 PM
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The Male Boxx! I went there once - supposedly there was a private S&M leather room upstairs. Right across from Chaminade (later CJ) High School!
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BullDug
9 posts
Apr 16, 2008
7:32 PM
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Martha - I graduated from both Fairviews as did my father. In my day the yearbook had changed to "Tower of Memories" and the school newspaper was "Tower News". Both my ring and his have the tower also.
driver - Submarine House is still in business? That makes my day. I rarely get back to Dayton and the last time I did I saw that the Huber Heights location was gone. I assumed they all were. Next time I'm back I gotta get one of those subs!
Last Edited by on Apr 16, 2008 7:43 PM
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BullDug
10 posts
Apr 16, 2008
8:46 PM
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For those interested in the music scene in Dayton in the 60s, 70s and 80s I recommend the Dayton Music Guide at http://www.boldaz.com/dmg
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JeffN
124 posts
Apr 18, 2008
12:05 PM
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Are any of the old Hoagies Pizza places (they used to have one in my neighborhood on Airway) still around?
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southparkerik
1 post
Apr 18, 2008
4:13 PM
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this is my first post at this site.this is fantastic like everyone else here i can't belive how much i forgot about greater dayton pop culture.i've got a lot to shair in future posts martha worked with ron guy at omega music on n. main across from the upper crust untill he passed away he was so missed by everyone who knew him. any omega music people out there.
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Martha Hardcastle
7 posts
Apr 18, 2008
11:22 PM
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I don't know about Hoagie's but the Submarine House lives! There is one on Main Street in Clayton (formerly Randolph Township) just north of Dog Leg/Westbrook.
I worked at Goldenrod on Main Street and on South Dixie, and National Record Mart (NRM) at Northwest Plaza, Salem Mall and Dayton Mall and for a few minutes at Headquaters in New Carlisle.
If anybody wants to contact me my email is Mothra@woh.rr.com and my Myspace is www.myspace.com/elizabethkey
I am just so thankful to have this incredible resource!
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driver62
71 posts
Apr 19, 2008
6:45 AM
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Jeff - There is one Hoagie's Pizza House listed in the phone book. It's at 6128 N. Dixie. I'm not sure of the exact location but it has a Vandalia phone number so it's pretty far north.
You wouldn't recognize N. Dixie out that way now. It's all 4 lane road and is really built up with fast food places, a Wal-Mart, etc.
Martha - Was the Village Inn Pizza located on Siebenthaler close to Bowlero Lanes or was it located on Salem? If Siebenthaler, we use to stop there for pizza and beer after bowling on Fridays. I seem to recall the Forum. Didn't they spell it FORVM? I guess they wanted it to sound Greek.
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kaisermom
8 posts
Apr 19, 2008
10:54 AM
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Actually, I think the Forum Club was Roman-themed, so that was probably a Roman Numeral in there. My mom worked there as a waitress in 1968, and she used to wear a Toga to work. I don't know much about it, though. They had some comedy acts, and performers. My mom said it was very elegant and chic at the time.
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southparkerik
2 posts
Apr 19, 2008
3:51 PM
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hey does anyone out there know of any hara arena sites where i could find a complete list of all the rock concerts that played hara.i know buddy holly played the wampler ballroom in the fifties,and the who played the arena in 1972.why is this info so hard to find?
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Martha Hardcastle
8 posts
Apr 19, 2008
5:18 PM
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Yes, the Village Inn was just west of the movie theater - what was it called? Cinema North, perhaps?
And yes, FORVM! Wow, you are good! I remember a rather rowdy place on North Dixie called Scalley's - it's so hard to remember which bar was which name - so many bars, so little time, haha.
I used to go to the Fireside Tavern a lot - now it's called Chances Are, and Doober's was on the other side of Salem and a bit south of there. Those places were fun. TJ's in Englewood was happenin' for a while, too.
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southparkerik
3 posts
Apr 19, 2008
7:48 PM
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wow the cinema north it was part of the fox chain.there was a identical near dorthry lane & wilmington
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driver62
73 posts
Apr 20, 2008
6:05 AM
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The Cinema North has been closed for many years but the building still stands.
Martha - Was the Fireside in the little shopping center on Salem where Emhoff's Furniture was located and where Rex is? It's across Salem from Maria Joseph Center. If so, I've been there too.
Last Edited by on Apr 20, 2008 6:07 AM
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southparkerik
4 posts
Apr 20, 2008
4:48 PM
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golden rod music was originaly next to the grub steak they took over the space and the golden rod moved one block up main into a old used car place next to the building that was cassidys harley davidson when i was growing up on forest ave.an for a breif moment the golden rod moved into andys hobby shop store after it closed.heres another short lived record store the enchanted forest at n.main & forest they painted the sidewalks green and got in trouble with the city.also bullfrogs records in kettering.i also have memories of realy good food at kuntz cafeteria
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